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102. you are saying Svoboda and Right Sector support Putin???

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #81)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:07 PM

Nov 2014

That's beyond comprehension.

I linked to an article about Podemos (who are, as you correctly point out, left) in Spain as a reference point for the first Amanecer Dorado article. I was not clear in the segue, and I apologize.

Here are some more linkages between EU fascism and another very problematic country, Israel.

Far-right Europeans and Israelis: this toxic alliance spells trouble

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/06/israel-rightwing-europeans-migration-toxic

Strange bedfellows: new nexus between Israel and far Right

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/10/25/strange-bedfellows-new-nexus-between-israel-and-far-right/

The Likud Connection: Europe's Right-Wing Populists Find Allies in Israel

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-likud-connection-europe-s-right-wing-populists-find-allies-in-israel-a-777175.html

More French Jews drifting to National Front party

http://www.timesofisrael.com/more-french-jews-drifting-toward-natl-front-party/

In pro-Palestine Sweden, far-right Jewish lawmaker embraces Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/swedish-proudly-nationalist-jewish/

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Also, several left-wing EU parties support Putin in major areas (whilst criticising him, and rightly so, in other arenas)

Some of these parties very much have my support for their anti-NATO, anti-ECB/IMF/BIS stances and pro union, pro growth " Dirigisme" agendas)

For more on Dirigisme see this, btw http://jackwilliams23thequagmire.wordpress.com/ (go to the "What can solve this crisis part&quot

Germany’s Die Linke

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/linkspartei-in-der-krim-krise-putins-freunde-in-berlin-a-959041.html

translation

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Flinkspartei-in-der-krim-krise-putins-freunde-in-berlin-a-959041.html&edit-text=

Socialistische Partij (Dutch socialists)

SYRIZA (Greece, who are, this Putin debate notwithstanding, the best template for overall governance, a template the USA Democrats could take more than a few lessons from)

http://www.matrix24.gr/2014/04/tsipras-kali-poutin/

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matrix24.gr%2F2014%2F04%2Ftsipras-kali-poutin%2F&edit-text=

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Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all] uhnope Nov 2014 OP

Awwww. But, ya know, he's just MISUNDERSTOOD, poor Vladdie! MADem Nov 2014 #1

You left out Nuland's cookies. But I never forget them. YUM! freshwest Nov 2014 #32

Delish!!!!! Ha ha! nt MADem Nov 2014 #43

Putin jumped oceans of sharks with that comment steve2470 Nov 2014 #52

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Is he actively trying to drive eastern Europe more fully into NATO's sphere of influence? LanternWaste Nov 2014 #5

Shark officially Jumped Old Nick Nov 2014 #6

You can't see... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #16

True Old Nick Nov 2014 #19

It takes one to see one. graegoyle Nov 2014 #25

I hope this gets some of the Putin fans to rethink his "brilliance" karynnj Nov 2014 #7

That's complete bullshit Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #8

The Onion had it right: christx30 Nov 2014 #22

The Nazi-Britain Non-Aggression Pact TomVilmer Nov 2014 #49

except Germany and Russia took territory with their pact nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #110

Do any of Putin's defenders still want to say he is not an imperialist? Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #9

... and don't forget a Theocrat BadtotheboneBob Nov 2014 #44

No, we mustn't forget that, either Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #45

Putin is a Fascist POS, not surprised. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #10

yep PatrynXX Nov 2014 #12

The replies on this thread just show the lack of knowledge of history is vast here newthinking Nov 2014 #11

Well yes thats also true. PatrynXX Nov 2014 #13

agreed. newthinking Nov 2014 #53

It's almost as if they think that had the USSR not inked the non-aggression pact, Hitler KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #14

It also allowed Stalin the time to build a huge army and many thousands of tanks... bvar22 Nov 2014 #41

...^ that 840high Nov 2014 #51

But did Stalin know that Hitler would be stupid enough Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #74

Who sent Stalin the tanks? davidpdx Nov 2014 #90

The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #23

The only one embarrassing themself here is you by trying, and failing, GGJohn Nov 2014 #27

Who is "excusing putin"? More like what was the purpose of the article? newthinking Nov 2014 #55

Creative, though unsupported, allegations you've presented us with. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #100

the Chamberlain paragraph is the crucial context yurbud Nov 2014 #15

The pact was hushed up in Soviet times. Igel Nov 2014 #34

ironically, one of the things McCarthyites went after people for was opposing Hitler TOO SOON yurbud Nov 2014 #17

the only solution to this terrible admission is to make Russia a super-sized Somalia yurbud Nov 2014 #18

Will somebody put a plug in this asswipe? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #20

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Putin the very "Bolshevist" that Hitler hated? muntrv Nov 2014 #21

Shhhhhhh. You're not supposed to mention that. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #46

Recommend Read..... KoKo Nov 2014 #57

My recommend read: "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #83

There are some problems with your thread, but it is more accurate the the rest of this thread happyslug Nov 2014 #58

No, Stalin used the pact with Hitler to take Bessarabia and occupy the Baltic states muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #80

I was discussing the Soviet-Western allies talks happyslug Nov 2014 #93

There's a world of difference between "too good to pass up, because it allows land grabs" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #94

Stalin did NOT start WWII, he did attack Poland, he did NOT attack Romania happyslug Nov 2014 #101

Katyn. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #103

We are discussing the Russian German treaty happyslug Nov 2014 #105

"to extend the power of the USSR" - that's alright with you? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #106

Thank you. I laud your efforts at correcting me and doing it so civilly. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #82

Don't feel that way. It is a very nasty minority. newthinking Nov 2014 #59

Yes, the era of Big Propaganda is upon us. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #84

Senator Prescott Bush (R-CT) also had dealings with Nazi financiers. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #24

Wow! Just Wow! nt Javaman Nov 2014 #26

But but but Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #28

And don't forget her fascist cookies. GGJohn Nov 2014 #30

Well she is the wife of the founder of PNAC. Ever heard of it? newthinking Nov 2014 #64

Seducing the populace with rainbow cookies. Gratuitous image: freshwest Nov 2014 #31

In Russia, Putin would have those cookies arrested and tortured GGJohn Nov 2014 #33

No, he would have gangs of thugs beat down those cookies in brutal fashion, and then claim he MADem Nov 2014 #50

OMG. Now. I. Must. Have. Some. Cookies! freshwest Nov 2014 #77

some real fascists ----- Ukraine’s 'Right Sector' Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament NordicLeft Nov 2014 #54

Using a Russian website to make your point Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #56

So,the BBC, The New Republic, Foreign Policy, Counterpunch, Salon, Intl. Business Times are Russian? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author NordicLeft Nov 2014 #60

This is his publicity video - seriously... it really was made by and for him as head newthinking Nov 2014 #63

Fascism is on the march across the EU, and its certainly not springing from Putin NordicLeft Nov 2014 #65

Yes that poor Putin is misunderstood right? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #68

Tom Parfitt (the author of the Telegraph OP) is a well-known rightwing pro NATO/US/UK hack NordicLeft Nov 2014 #70

I was bested by you? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #72

People here have not yet figured out that the Republicans have been working on world domination for newthinking Nov 2014 #69

Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #73

Be ignorant if you wish newthinking Nov 2014 #78

European fascists support Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #81

you are saying Svoboda and Right Sector support Putin??? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #102

No, that's not what I was saying; I was replying to your incorrect claim that EU fascism and Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #104

Keep shining bright lights on this. nilesobek Nov 2014 #75

I'm sure he likes the "secret protocol" best of all .... tabasco Nov 2014 #29

Well, I'm glad to see the US has run out of problems so we can refight the Cold War. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #35

yeah because everything is always the fault of the US, right uhnope Nov 2014 #36

That had zero to do with what I posted. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #37

then please elaborate on your subtle yet expansive point uhnope Nov 2014 #38

No, thanks. It was pretty obvious. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #39

thanks uhnope Nov 2014 #40

Does that mean you're not going to comment on DU about anything outside the US muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #42

The Soviet Union still exists? News to me. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #66

It will again if Vlad gets his way. 7962 Nov 2014 #67

Not really. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #71

That's a remarkable non sequitur muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #79

I beg your humble pardon. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #85

I agree the right wing is a problem, and that includes Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #86

The American right-wing hates him and thinks he's a crypto-commie. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #87

You wanted this story to disappear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #88

Oh, ok. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #89

Wrong. FOX News loves him. Try all you want, you can't pretend that... uhnope Nov 2014 #99

My understanding was that Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #47

Yes. bemildred Nov 2014 #61

Nothing wrong with the pact except it bit them in the ass. Hoppy Nov 2014 #48

Oh it is so easy to forget the lessons of history. gordianot Nov 2014 #76

If you think a government has the right/duty to pursue its national interest to the exclusion pampango Nov 2014 #91

Sure. It bought time (which was misspent), and... malthaussen Nov 2014 #92

That space should have been decisive, but was not.... happyslug Nov 2014 #95

Depends on whom you believe. malthaussen Nov 2014 #96

That's why we gave so many Nazis jobs and citizenship, and the fascism is present in US. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #97

I hope the simple truth isn't a threadkiller... bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #98

If Western historians have really been trying to "hush up" the Munich Agreement, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #107

not often you get to hear the Molotov Ribbentop pact spoken of so glowingly. nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #109

The big mistake on Hitler was made in 1936. roamer65 Nov 2014 #111