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polly7

(20,582 posts)
16. Good point. They dodged a bullet.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jan 2015

Eastern Ukraine is home to much of the countries' natural wealth - major coal deposits, fertile wheat and corn land ... Crimea has the same fertile soil, as well as a thriving tourist industry and quick access to the Mediterranean, Balkans and Middle East - and, Russia's Black Sea Fleet. Both are/were crucial to Ukraine's total wealth, so it's no wonder the new 'gov't' is fighting so hard to hold onto the east ........ despite the citizens living there not wanting the promised austerity under the IMF, having made their livings from these resources all their lives. I actually wonder if Ukraine will end up being divided up ...... neither side seems willing to compromise. It's horrible watching so many die.

Then there's the shale - Ukraine has the third largest shale reserves in the world, Chevron had just signed a 50 year deal to develop Ukraine's oil and gas weeks before the Maidan demonstrations began in Kiev, and Royal Dutch Shell in the east (both already accused of major human rights violations in Nigeria.) Nuland, after getting back from handing out her cookies to the demonstrators, urged Ukraine to sign a new deal with the IMF which would “send a positive signal to private markets and would increase foreign direct investment that is so urgently needed in Ukraine.” What a coincidence. Ukraine, economically, is/was? to be patterned after Greece, of all places.

Yes, the Crimean people were smart to vote themselves out of this mess.

Unfortunately, Russian aggression is not an entirely new thing. Turbineguy Jan 2015 #1
Yep it is an old saw salib Jan 2015 #12
The neocons screwed up Obama's foreign policy goals CJCRANE Jan 2015 #2
They work from "behind the scenes" now but remain very powerful newthinking Jan 2015 #3
Putin foiled the neo-con plans for Syria. polly7 Jan 2015 #4
That's exactly right newfie11 Jan 2015 #6
Invading Crimea and fomenting civil war in Ukraine are not aggression? hack89 Jan 2015 #7
Crimea wasn't invaded. polly7 Jan 2015 #8
Right. Got it. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #10
Careful... MattSh Jan 2015 #15
Good point. They dodged a bullet. polly7 Jan 2015 #16
too bad staying part of Ukraine was not a choice Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #29
Actually it was, but to understand the choices you have to know the history of post soviet Crimea newthinking Feb 2015 #37
no the staus quo was not an option Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #38
And there are still dishonest "reports" of "military on the streets" "enforcing order" newthinking Feb 2015 #21
tell that to the Crimean Tartars Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27
Oh yes, you mean those fundamentalists who were in contact with Al-qaida? newthinking Feb 2015 #31
do not forget prices are also much higher Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #28
Depends on what they buy. TVs from China, not really. From Europe, yes newthinking Feb 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #32
Yeh, OK Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #26
Do you even read the replies before you post? newthinking Feb 2015 #33
I replied to Polly, not you Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #34
my bad. I followed the line down incorrectly newthinking Feb 2015 #35
we all make mistakes Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #36
You mean like Prague, Chechenya, Afghanistan? Those meme filled Russian peace initiatives???? marble falls Jan 2015 #5
What part did Putin play in any of that? JayhawkSD Jan 2015 #11
Facts don't matter when you need someone to blame. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #14
Try telling that to an Estonian LiberalEsto Jan 2015 #9
Sad, I used to come to DU to find information on current events that was not available anywhere 1monster Jan 2015 #13
no one is an angel. That's what makes propaganda so easy. But when it comes to aggression, yurbud Jan 2015 #17
Blame that on the rise of the tabloid/political media newthinking Feb 2015 #20
I'm perfectly willing to hear equal use of the phrase "American agression" cheapdate Jan 2015 #18
Putin never talked of reclaiming regions. That has been propaganda newthinking Feb 2015 #19
It's not propaganda to talk about Putin's conception of "Russian" cheapdate Feb 2015 #22
Are you saying it was not a catastrophe? newthinking Feb 2015 #23
It is entirely possible to construct a pro-Russian narrative cheapdate Feb 2015 #24
Ukraine says the same thing - That all Slavs originated from their culture newthinking Feb 2015 #25
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