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In reply to the discussion: We didn’t need to drop the bomb — and even our WW II military icons knew it [View all]Omaha Steve
(106,727 posts)39. Operation Downfall
Have you looked at US casualty lists just from taking islands in the Pacific from the Japanese?
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/the-pacific-war-1941-to-1945/operation-downfall/
Citation: C N Trueman "Operation Downfall"
historylearningsite.co.uk. The History Learning Site, 19 May 2015. 3 Mar 2016.
Snip: American military commanders were given the task of planning for the invasion Douglas MacArthur,Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, William Leahy, Hap Arnold and George Marshall. Inter-service rivalry did occur as both army and navy wanted one of their men to be supreme commander of planning. Eventually the navy accepted that MacArthur was to have total control if the invasion was to take place. The planning proceeded without taking the atomic bomb into consideration as so few knew about its existence.
The Americans faced one very serious problem. They knew for sure that the Japanese would defend their territory with zeal and that American casualties would be high probably too high for the American public to accept. The fanaticism that had been shown by the kamikazes, would almost certainly be encountered in Japan and the Americans had to plan for this.
There was plenty of evidence to indicate that any invasion of the Japanese mainland would be very bloody for all concerned. The complexity of such an attack also led to both sides of the US military developing different ideas as to what the best plan should be. The navy believed that a blockade supported by an air campaign would suffice. They wanted to use air bases in China and Korea to launch bombing raids against key cities in Japan. The army believed that such a campaign would take too long and that the morale of the American public might suffer as a result. They supported the use of an invasion that would go to the heart of Japan Tokyo. The army got its way.
It quickly became apparent that any invasion of Japan would present huge difficulties. There were very few beaches that could be used as a landing place and the Japanese knew this. Both sides knew that only the beaches in Kyushu and the beaches at Kanto, near Tokyo, could support a huge amphibious landing. The Japanese took the appropriate measures in both areas.
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We didn’t need to drop the bomb — and even our WW II military icons knew it [View all]
polly7
May 2016
OP
I agree. I think we could have dropped it on some deserted Island and said you are next, and gotten
Hoyt
May 2016
#1
Don't forget that Japan was still fighting, and people dying every day.
AtheistCrusader
May 2016
#50
The Tokyo raid killed far more people than either atomic warhead. Short and long term.
AtheistCrusader
May 2016
#53
But, but millions of American lives were saved by avoiding a ground invasion!
RufusTFirefly
May 2016
#3
I was taught this in middle school (1975). I'm surprised it's a revelation and not common knowledge!
TheBlackAdder
May 2016
#6
I've always been heartbroken over this and never for one second believed it was necessary.
polly7
May 2016
#8
The Japanese had shown no propensity for surrender in WWII prior to the bomb; why assume they would?
MadDAsHell
May 2016
#10
I know it sounds great to say you are/were against the A-bomb drops but...
bernie_is_truth
May 2016
#12
I disagree. Period. And, I get tired of being insulted for thinking differently. nt.
polly7
May 2016
#23
I love the lie that the only time it's ever OK to use a nuke was the two times we happened to do it.
arcane1
May 2016
#30
If US decision-makers believed The Bomb was not necessary, then they had a different motive
Martin Eden
May 2016
#56
People are missing the point: Should Obama on behalf of the U.S. apologize for using the bomb twice?
YOHABLO
May 2016
#80