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In reply to the discussion: We didn’t need to drop the bomb — and even our WW II military icons knew it [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)59. We didn’t need to drop the bomb — and even our WW II military icons knew it
It is possible to go down the line and find similar views among most of the top World War II military figures. Many of those who had access to secret intelligence showing Japans desperate attempts to end the war were deeply disturbed by the bombing. Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet stated publicly two months after Hiroshima: The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. The atomic bomb, he stated played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan
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A contemporaneous May 29, 1945 memorandum by Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy also shows that Americas top military leader, General George C. Marshall, thought these weapons might first be used against straight military objectives such as a large naval installation and then if no complete result was derived from the effect of that, he thought we ought to designate a number of large manufacturing areas from which the people would be warned to leavetelling the Japanese that we intend to destroy such centers
As the 40th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima approached in 1985, former President Richard Nixon reported that [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off
Modern debates over the decision to use the atomic bomb without warning against a predominantly civilian target would also do well to include reminders that President Truman was advised well before Hiroshima that a Red Army declaration of War against Japan, planned at U.S. request for the first week of August, together with assurances for the Japanese Emperor, would bring an end to the war long before even the first stage landing of an invasion might occur three months later on the Island of Kyushu (and long before any possible general invasion in the spring of 1946.) There was plenty of time to use the bombs if the recommended strategy failed (and it had already been decided in any case to keep the Emperor to help control Japan after the war.)
As the 40th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima approached in 1985, former President Richard Nixon reported that [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off
Modern debates over the decision to use the atomic bomb without warning against a predominantly civilian target would also do well to include reminders that President Truman was advised well before Hiroshima that a Red Army declaration of War against Japan, planned at U.S. request for the first week of August, together with assurances for the Japanese Emperor, would bring an end to the war long before even the first stage landing of an invasion might occur three months later on the Island of Kyushu (and long before any possible general invasion in the spring of 1946.) There was plenty of time to use the bombs if the recommended strategy failed (and it had already been decided in any case to keep the Emperor to help control Japan after the war.)
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We didn’t need to drop the bomb — and even our WW II military icons knew it [View all]
polly7
May 2016
OP
I agree. I think we could have dropped it on some deserted Island and said you are next, and gotten
Hoyt
May 2016
#1
Don't forget that Japan was still fighting, and people dying every day.
AtheistCrusader
May 2016
#50
The Tokyo raid killed far more people than either atomic warhead. Short and long term.
AtheistCrusader
May 2016
#53
But, but millions of American lives were saved by avoiding a ground invasion!
RufusTFirefly
May 2016
#3
I was taught this in middle school (1975). I'm surprised it's a revelation and not common knowledge!
TheBlackAdder
May 2016
#6
I've always been heartbroken over this and never for one second believed it was necessary.
polly7
May 2016
#8
The Japanese had shown no propensity for surrender in WWII prior to the bomb; why assume they would?
MadDAsHell
May 2016
#10
I know it sounds great to say you are/were against the A-bomb drops but...
bernie_is_truth
May 2016
#12
I disagree. Period. And, I get tired of being insulted for thinking differently. nt.
polly7
May 2016
#23
I love the lie that the only time it's ever OK to use a nuke was the two times we happened to do it.
arcane1
May 2016
#30
If US decision-makers believed The Bomb was not necessary, then they had a different motive
Martin Eden
May 2016
#56
People are missing the point: Should Obama on behalf of the U.S. apologize for using the bomb twice?
YOHABLO
May 2016
#80