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Martin68

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4. Whistle-blowers and independent watchdogs provide an invaluable service to our country.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:11 PM
Dec 2022

However, clandestine intelligence services also play an invaluable role in national security, and we only occasionally find out what they did right and what they did wrong. In 1975 the Church Committee investigated and published a report on improper activity which had a powerful effect on the intelligence agencies, and resulted in establishing new guidelines and regulations within them. As time goes by, such re-adjustments often lapse, or are gradually loosened internally, so it is necessary to constantly keep an eye on actions that are by definition very hard to scrutinize except by employees within the organizations that are willing to sacrifice their careers to alert the nation and Congress that they need to be reigned in.

That said, my point in the post above is that vague suggestions that something was "planned" should be taken with a grain of salt considering that numerous operations are discussed, and most of them never reach the planning stage for logistical, ethical, moral, or pragmatic reasons. One of the strengths of the American military and intelligence services is that people are encouraged to discuss their suggestions frankly in-house, no matter how out of the box they might be, but the vast majority of ideas or suggestions are very quickly dismissed once managers and agency legal services have had a chance to review them (if such a suggestion ever reaches the point where actual planning would begin).

In the interests of full disclosure, my father was a CIA officer, and my family lived in various countries (Cyprus, El Salvador, Venezuela, and Colombia) where he worked within the local embassy to monitor communications and local media for useful information about local politics. When I turned 18 as a high school student in Bogota, he sat me down and for the first time revealed his real occupation. His cover, as is often the case for an officer who not under deep cover, was that he was a foreign service officer.

I fail to see how "CIA Discussed Plans to Kidnap or Kill Julian Assange" is considered worthy of Martin68 Dec 2022 #1
Sure. I've wondered about some of their choices myself, over the years. Sometimes what's not ancianita Dec 2022 #2
Whistle-blowers and independent watchdogs provide an invaluable service to our country. Martin68 Dec 2022 #4
Thanks for the response. ancianita Dec 2022 #5
I agree. That is why people like Chelsea Manning are essential heroes. Martin68 Dec 2022 #6
Which is at the very heart of Project Censored's yearly reviews. I can't blame them for ancianita Dec 2022 #8
We are in a class war - and we're losing. NullTuples Dec 2022 #3
How is this a class war? Martin68 Dec 2022 #7
Not to get in the middle, but just to say I think NullTuples is referring only to the OP title, ancianita Dec 2022 #9
Thanks for setting me straight - I kind of had tunnel vision on the CIA issue. Martin68 Dec 2022 #10
Thank you both, although even the CIA story fits the pattern of class war NullTuples Dec 2022 #11
NullTuples. The same could be said of the State Department. I believe the US is less rapacious and Martin68 Dec 2022 #12
I think perhaps they learned lessons and are simply more subtle about it now via "partnering" NullTuples Dec 2022 #13
Well, if the US does not get access to Afghan mineral deposits then China will. Martin68 Dec 2022 #14
Taking over a sovereign nation to plunder it is ethically and morally wrong. NullTuples Dec 2022 #15
Well, I believe the US tried to become an ally of Afghanistan. We spend billions on infrastructure, Martin68 Dec 2022 #16
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