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Bucky

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15. It gets confusing for Americans when the German Commies denounce "Social Democracy"
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:22 PM
Mar 2013

Anyone confused enough to fall for the BS that Naziism was leftist because it was "national socialism" isn't going to get the nuances of Weimer Republic extremism, let alone have the patience to sit through three whole minutes of silent newsreel footage.

If you wanna blow up the minds of dittoheads, point them over to the Nazis' 1938 German Weapons Act. The Nazis, far from wanting to round up the guns in society, were actually strongly in favor of gun ownership by ordinary citizens. The Nazis loosened gun laws, ended registration of long-barreled firearms, stopped the regulation of ammunition, and even allowed private citizens to own machine guns.

Sound familiar? It's the NRA's agenda. Not that the NRA are Nazis, just that their talk about Hitler rounding up the guns in Germany is bullshit. Now, I'm sure Hitler did round up guns in Czechoslovakia, Poland, and France -- non-German nations that he invaded. But he never took over his own people by denying them gun rights. Rather, he demagogued the firearms regulation issue in order to manipulate the public over to his side.

Now, he did deny gun rights to people he vilified as non-German: Jews, Roma, Communists... Again, this is a rightwing tactic. How many times have you heard Republicans & conservatives snark that liberals aren't real Americans or argue that "McCain would've been starting his second term by now, if Obama hadn't gotten all those minority votes."

But this is more about keeping the bedazzled majority neurotically militarized, rather than wanting to avoid shooting it out with a "well-armed citizenry". Fantasies about apocalyptic shoot-outs with the evil elements of society are hallmarks of extremists--left and right. It happened in real life in Germany in 1919. The Marxist Spartan League and the rightwing predecessors of the Nazis actually did shoot it out in the streets of Berlin (which serves the Germans right for having unleashed Lenin & Leninism on Russia two years earlier). But the only people talking about taking arms against fellow citizens or against the government we have all elected are the people on the Right. The Alex Joneses and Wayne LaPierres and Ted Nugents of the world love talking about taking up guns against an oppressive government--which in reality would mean getting into firefights with the BATF, the FBI, and (I suppose) park rangers at Yosemite. The only arms us lefties fantasize about are the ones we'd like to hug our trees with.

Nope, when the wingnuts start comparing liberalism to fascism, it's the same old "Clint Eastwood vs. the chair" dynamic. Unable to sustain an honest argument, the super-conservatives have resorted once again to inventing a make-belief supervillain that they can feel comfortable about vanquishing, even if only in the privacy of their own imaginations.

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Tired of having to explain [View all] iamthebandfanman Mar 2013 OP
We know what happened to those folks. formercia Mar 2013 #1
Nazis used to bust in on Communist and Socialist party meetings and beat everyone to a pulp.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #2
Like cops and Occupy. nt valerief Mar 2013 #3
More like Tea Party types showing up at Town Hall meetings,.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #5
Yeah, like cops beating up, tear-gassing, and imprisoning Occupy protesters. valerief Mar 2013 #7
That's authoritarian all right... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #9
"Liberal Fascism" Doc_Technical Mar 2013 #13
K & R right here! freshwest Mar 2013 #14
I never try to explain. I just laugh it off. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #4
Actually, the Conservative Movement uses the same propaganda. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #6
whatever you say Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #8
I could find something similar only with "Arabs"... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #10
Have fun with that. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #11
You shouldn't. "Never Forget" was about falling for this crap. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #12
Obnoxious as it gets, American conservatism doesn't measure up to Naziism Bucky Mar 2013 #16
Personal freedom? newthinking Mar 2013 #18
I've studied the rise of fascism in Europe. It appealed to the same things Republicans aspire to... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #19
I see a lot of projection here, but not a lot of analysis of objective fact Bucky Mar 2013 #20
So, how would you then define them? Your comments seem to (in a way) let them off the hook newthinking Mar 2013 #21
Good question. Bucky Mar 2013 #26
Just because I didn't devote the time to write a thesis on this topic does not make me wrong.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #23
OMG Bucky Mar 2013 #25
If I might add. The OP did not say that conservatives were Nazis newthinking Mar 2013 #22
No, I wasn't responding to the OP with this subthread. Bucky Mar 2013 #24
I had to look up "Feindmachten" Bucky Mar 2013 #17
It gets confusing for Americans when the German Commies denounce "Social Democracy" Bucky Mar 2013 #15
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