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politicat

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37. Back in Season four...
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 12:20 AM
Jul 2017

Once upon a time, The Queen of Thorns' favorite granddaughter (Maergery) was to be married to Joffrey, the King Shit of Turd Mountain, the Biggest Waste of Space in all of the 7 kingdoms, Monster in Graduate Training and the actual child of Cersei and Jamie. Then Joff the Tosser got poisoned at his own wedding to Maergery, and it was not a nice poisoning. Pretty much nobody was actually *sad* except Cersei. Even Jamie seemed to have a lot of mixed feelings that Joff was dead.

Cersei (and to be fair, almost everyone) blamed Tyrion, which is ultimately why Tyrion was wandering the eastern deserts, got enslaved and ended up with Danerys.

But The Queen of Thorns was the actual poisoner, and we've known that thanks to a single, almost throwaway line that she told Maergery almost three years ago. (You didn't think I'd let you marry that monster?) So we've been sitting on this ever since.

Jamie made the strategically sound decision to consolidate resources and not fight for something that doesn't have much strategic value: Casterly Rock. Once upon a time, it was a gold mine, but it hasn't been significantly productive in years; it's in the far west of the country (while Dany and Cersei are basically just out of line of sight of each other, across the Blackwater Bay, on the east -- think the distance from Dublin to Liverpool), while most of the war will be in the east. The Lannisters (and again to be fair, most of the aristocracy) has been surviving on credit for a loooong time. Which is why the Iron Bank is calling in their loans (and really should have done so a long time back). Strategically, the food and agricultural produce of the Tyrell lands is going to far more valuable.

The Queen of Thorns' confession was her way of winning some of the war. It turned Jamie's apparently easy victory into moral ashes and will likely ultimately maybe open Jamie's eyes to the depth of manipulation he's been subjected to. That's just how she has always rolled -- Lady Olenna's goal, as far as I can tell, has always been to force those around her to open their eyes to uncomfortable truths and face them. And a lovely final exit for her. But I don't expect the Lannisters to have much luck with the Tyrell holdings, as Tyrion outlined: people may fear Cersei, but fear doesn't make people work, and the Tyrell people loved their aristocracy. They're not fighters, but that doesn't mean they're not saboteurs and subversives.

Game of Thrones... FarPoint Jul 2017 #1
I think you're correct NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #2
Melisandre has complied with Jon's ruling... FarPoint Jul 2017 #6
Euron Greyjoy is skanky looking to me. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #3
I liked the Jessica Hentwick character as well NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #4
The Sand Snakes are far more likable in the books. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #5
I believe Sansa's character is loosely patterned on QE1. dawg Jul 2017 #48
I hope not. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #50
The little sand snake lives - for the time being. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #14
I wasn't impressed with the Sand Snakes, in the series! atreides1 Jul 2017 #55
I agree. They were lost in the show. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #56
The show's own previews are not spoilers. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #7
true NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #8
They can be if you are not caught up. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #9
No but the replies in this OP are. blogslut Jul 2017 #27
some articles from the past week NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #10
a few more articles NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #11
Jon and Tyrion reunite NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #12
Tense and awkward NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #13
Not sure how they are going to turn it around. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #15
Danaerys seems to be getting a bit too full of herself. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #28
She's young. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #40
When she is uncertain, she falls back on the Ice Princess trope. politicat Jul 2017 #58
Good analysis, and I agree. n/t ms liberty Aug 2017 #69
Okay, what are the chances the little scorpions have enough antidote in their bodies Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #16
judging by Ellaria's reaction NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #17
Ah. The reason Bran wasn't happy when he saw Sansa, was because he saw the pain Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #18
Sansa and Bran reunited NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #19
Bran seems like he can't emote physically. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #21
Bran sounds like Richmond from the I.T. Crowd. dawg Jul 2017 #47
I was wondering if his inability to show emotion had something to do with Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #59
Mormont is back in operation. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #20
Not that I think it's going to make a difference to Tyrion Lannister, but, Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #22
But he still killed Tywin Yavin4 Jul 2017 #24
But Tywin conspired to have him convicted and at least exiled-- tblue37 Jul 2017 #30
Tyrion is getting owned so far. Yavin4 Jul 2017 #23
Weeding out the potential throne contenders. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #26
OMG! Just amazing. Tyrone stumbles, Cearsi is a cold heart bitch Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #25
Olenna Tyrell. blogslut Jul 2017 #29
+1 Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #41
I like the pacing of the story in this season. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2017 #31
Lady Tyrell Didn't Believe In The Poison.. Grassy Knoll Jul 2017 #32
That's true--we did not see the death. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2017 #34
Cersi. Who else? Beaverhausen Jul 2017 #49
Back in Season four... politicat Jul 2017 #37
Thank you for this explanation! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2017 #38
That is why Tarley is key exboyfil Jul 2017 #57
Because it's called Game of Thrones and it's about eliminating Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #42
Well, at least Tyrion is cleared of Joffrey's murder now. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #33
Tyrion's murder of Tywin is not disputed though, obviously Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #45
I thought it was Tyrion who put the poison in his wine? Beaverhausen Jul 2017 #51
It was Olenna via a poison jewel she removed from a necklace given to Sansa blogslut Jul 2017 #53
oh. I could have sworn I saw Tyrion do it Beaverhausen Jul 2017 #54
You were fooled as Cersei was! WinkyDink Aug 2017 #67
Awesome ep. TDale313 Jul 2017 #35
Wow a lot happened tonight - great show Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #36
Watching now. Took a nap earlier and missed the first showing. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #39
I think Dany is just inexperienced. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #43
Bran and Howland Reed. If he is alive in the show. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #44
Good read. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #46
What was Varys' role in Ned's death? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #61
Well, if you chose to allow my father to die to further your own aims, I'd feed you to my Dire Wolf Solly Mack Aug 2017 #63
I'm always shocked when an episode ends OriginalGeek Jul 2017 #52
I remember looking up last night NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #60
IKR? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #62
2019!?!? OriginalGeek Aug 2017 #65
Phew, boy! I'm back! Iggo Aug 2017 #64
welcome back NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #66
Thought this was cute... NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #68
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