Barack Obama

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President Obama is not violating his liberal principles by defending the NSA. He is exercising them. [View all] OKNancy Jun 2013 OP

This assumes the only use of domestic spying is to keep us upaloopa Jun 2013 #1

Lots of things can be put to bad uses Progressive dog Jun 2013 #6

I disagree-- otherwise, why do we bother having laws at all? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #41

You misunderstood what I said Progressive dog Jun 2013 #43

I'm going to try to say this in as neutral a fashion as I can muster. reusrename Jun 2013 #49

So NSA storing telephone logs leads to holocausts Progressive dog Jun 2013 #52

You need to dial back the hyperbole and outrage a little bit if you want to have a conversation. reusrename Jun 2013 #57

Your post was below trivial Progressive dog Jun 2013 #58

IMHO, the stuff about Dr. Mengele is extremely relevant to this conversation, and here's why: reusrename Jun 2013 #59

You talk about Mengele, monsters in our government Progressive dog Jun 2013 #60

Am I getting frustrated, yes, but I am not afraid of facing facts. reusrename Jun 2013 #61

Facing what facts? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #62

I've already responded to all of your questions and you have answered none of mine. reusrename Jun 2013 #64

You should be ashamed Progressive dog Jun 2013 #65

I don't know how to say this without sounding patronizing, but I'll ask a sincere question anyway. reusrename Jun 2013 #67

You equated government empoyees to monsters Progressive dog Jun 2013 #68

Are you too ashamed to discuss the Nazis or the Holocaust? reusrename Jun 2013 #69

Ever read "the boy who cried wolf"? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #70

Goebbels said it best: reusrename Jun 2013 #78

Obsessed with Nazi stuff aren't you Progressive dog Jun 2013 #79

first, it's not clear the laws even allow that-- it seems likely this was illegal. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #50

If the Congress passes it, the President signs it, Progressive dog Jun 2013 #54

I agree Andy823 Jun 2013 #9

Amen Rebl Jun 2013 #19

Yes-- so true NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #22

yeah, you'd have to be a real idiiot to think that.. Cha Jun 2013 #44

OMG, what you did! freshwest Jun 2013 #86

Bush wasn't able to do it treestar Jun 2013 #39

2 term limit maybe Progressive dog Jun 2013 #46

The thread is about using these phone numbers to quell all opposition treestar Jun 2013 #53

You are right, I apologize Progressive dog Jun 2013 #55

Any president can abuse their powers... dennis4868 Jun 2013 #48

Excellent article, OKNancy. Cha Jun 2013 #2

Un-rec truebluegreen Jun 2013 #3

Yes, it has been proven effective. Details you're not interested in. Cha Jun 2013 #4

Bring me up to date on how it has been proven effective, so far I have seen only GoneFishin Jun 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Jun 2013 #8

No, that's not the reality ..that's Cha Jun 2013 #23

how would this control thing work? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #47

It's not fascim NaturalCommunist Jun 2013 #83

I actually believe those in charge who Cha Jun 2013 #11

So blind faith then? Civilization2 Jun 2013 #25

You have tons of other space to speak. This is a protected group. Be off. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #35

No, it's not "blind". Cha Jun 2013 #36

Once again a money making scheme JEB Jun 2013 #29

No, JEB.. the shit is real.. whether you acknowledge it or not. Cha Jun 2013 #45

Reality like the reality of how the terror-fightin' powers of The Patriot Act have *actually* Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #20

Yes, it sucks, Warren. Cha Jun 2013 #31

Glad we agree. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #32

I know it's stupid.. I don't understand it. But, I will Cha Jun 2013 #33

Strongest thing I do these days is green tea. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #34

Nothing is impossible to abuse treestar Jun 2013 #56

Exactly right NaturalCommunist Jun 2013 #82

Well said, NC. And, I don't Cha Jun 2013 #84

Plus a million. freshwest Jun 2013 #87

"Liberals are not libertarians or anarchists." Could someone let 2/3 of GD know this, please?? Number23 Jun 2013 #7

Correct. Want change? Change Congress. They passed it. Obama has asked them to change his powers freshwest Jun 2013 #12

This is rather thin gruel. reusrename Jun 2013 #63

This does not seem in any way to be a response to what Number23 Jun 2013 #75

I don't know why I put it here. I should never open more than one tab in my browser. reusrename Jun 2013 #76

Don't feel bad. I've done the same thing Number23 Jun 2013 #77

This thread isn't going to be w/o controversy. longship Jun 2013 #10

Everyone who protests against this idea is being noted.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #13

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #14

It can't be said enough right now. Kath1 Jun 2013 #18

Obama is no liberal. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #15

President Obama is Progressive and he's quite Liberal on so many issues. Cha Jun 2013 #27

Thank you, OKNancy! Kath1 Jun 2013 #16

And where is that unrec button when you need it? Fuddnik Jun 2013 #17

+1 MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #30

This is nothing more than humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #21

As opposed to your "group think"? You just happen to be in the wrong Cha Jun 2013 #26

No shit!!! "George W. Obama"???? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #66

Yes, but the links to the appropriate group are not allowed at DU. freshwest Jun 2013 #88

President Sarah Palin could not figure out how to abuse it treestar Jun 2013 #38

The you for posting, OKNancy, but . . . Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #24

Which is why I detest labels. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #28

But, you don't mind ignorantly flying your BS flag. Cha Jun 2013 #42

It is a question of balance treestar Jun 2013 #37

This OP has been like pheromone sprinkled flypaper. stevenleser Jun 2013 #40

And, deservedly so. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #71

evidence that the program is not even legal-- NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #51

That is wrong information. For starters, two of those cases are regarding Bush warrantless stevenleser Jun 2013 #72

Rebuttal to this? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #73

Do you understand why FISA has been upheld and before its existence, warrantless wiretapping was stevenleser Jun 2013 #74

because appeals court justices are predominantly conservative assholes? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #80

That flippant suggestion might work if it wasn't 60+ years of caselaw we were talking about stevenleser Jun 2013 #81

except a lot has changed in 60+ years NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #90

As I noted in what I wrote. stevenleser Jun 2013 #91

Anyone who wants to think clearly about this, go to Steven's link, read it or get the podcast. freshwest Jun 2013 #89

This is a really good article. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #85

the point is whether this massive data collection helps or hinders. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #92