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freshwest

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28. They have been buying the Ron Paul, Libertarian, Teabagger kool-aid, themselves:
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 07:21 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:31 PM - Edit history (2)

The 'Obama and Dems had complete control and did nothing before 2010' myth:

From alp and Tx4obama:


We didn't have a majority in congress for two years - more like TWO MONTHS

The meme that the “Democrats had control of the House and Senate” is a myth and here’s why: people keep forgetting that you need 60 to have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

January 20, 2009 – Edward Kennedy suffered a seizure during Barack Obama's inaugural luncheon, and his health forced him to retreat to Massachusetts. Also, Senator Al Franken of Minnesota had not been seated because the previous Senator, Norm Coleman challenged the election results. So on his inauguration Obama had 57 elected Democratic Senators… 55 Democrats and 2 Independents.

April 28, 2009 – Arlan Specter switches parties from Republican to Democratic. This gives the Democrats 58… 56 seated Democrats, 2 Independents. Al Franken still hasn’t been sworn in and Kennedy is sick. Still no 60 member majority.

May 15, 2009 – Senator Robert Byrd is admitted to the hospital reducing the number of Democratic votes to 57… 55 Democrats, 2 Independents.

July 7, 2009 – Senator Al Franken is sworn in bringing the Democratic votes back up to 58… 56 sitting Democrats, 2 Independents. No Senator Kennedy or Byrd due to illness.

July 21, 2009 – Senator Byrd Returns to the Senate making the count 59 seats – Still no Kennedy.

August 25, 2009 – Senator Kennedy dies and the seat remains vacant (for one full month) until…

September 24, 2009 – Interim Senator Paul Kirk is sworn in to fill Kennedy’s seat bringing the total Democratic votes to a filibuster proof majority of 60.

Remember to subtract the time/weeks (which total over a month) for the Senate's fall recess, Thanksgiving break, Christmas/NewYears break, etc.

February 4, 2010 - Scott Brown (R-MA) is sworn in taking over Senator Kennedy's seat.

So really the Democrats only had a little more than two months (total time when Senate was in session) of a majority in the Senate – not 2 years (even less when you consider that Senator Lieberman sided with the Republicans most of the time). Because they didn’t have a majority, nothing could be automatically pushed through the Senate and concessions had to be made on the healthcare legislation in order for the bill to pass.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021643154#post3

That is something most of us remember as we kept up with all of those elections, very concerned about majority to get Obama's agenda through. It's also why I consider such comments either ignorant as they didn't pay attention, or dishonest.

After reading repeat versions of this with no response to facts but seeing the same posters go to other threads to spread the same, I quit wasting my time.

The 'Obama, corporate lackey' myth:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022832448

This being spread about the man who immediately went after corporations who were hiding their asserts over seas to hysterical attacks in media for doing so; declared energy corporations should not be subsidized and signed every alternative energy bill he was able to get; brought Elizabeth Warren to serve as head of an agency to protect citizens from corporate tyranny; and on and on.

Also to hear this about a man who spoke against Citizens United immediately, but knowing the law said it required a grassroots movement to make a Constitutional amendment, which is done at the state level and not the federal, as Congress can only write a motion but not make it happen; and has repeatedly tried to raise corporate taxes by any means he could, including fighting the Tea Party who refused to allow the sunsetting of the Bush Tax Cuts to take place, with a complicit media calling it a Tax Hike. It was passed when the GOP controlled all three branches of government, not under Obama. It was part of his recovery plan to make the more wealthy pay more. He's reiterated and proposed it at every SOTU and all of the campaigns he's been on; but he can't do it alone.

Some have picked names out of the news and declared him a stooge of corporations for when there is a reason to talk to banks and corporations, one of them being the billions of dollars lost in the last GOP shut down of the government. Obama walked from the White House to talk to the Federal Reserve to stop it from happening again and it was said that he was cozying up with the evil (passed by a law of Congress, yet evil) Federal Reserve. Eliminating it is a Pauliban meme, they want it gone so there is no control of the private banks at all meaning deregulation, not prosecution, so the irony is thick with that one. It's also been the Koch agenda since 1980, how very liberating.

Yes, the bankers are the ones who told the GOP to STFU and not pull that stunt again, or else they'd pay dearly for it in ways that most of us likely don't comprehend. And some don't know FDR's famous 'I welcome their hatred' speech was spoken before he knew the Axis might actually win WW2 and had to go to those same people to create the big production assembly lines to defeat the Nazis. The Allies were suffering greatly both with lives and financially in comparison with the Axis, who in comparison, lost only a fraction. That great effort was what framed our present world like it or not. Else we would have been nothing more than slaves to the Reich. No one should doubt what we faced in those days.

It was by sheer numbers that this was done and the Allies with American production won the war as our part of the alliances we had. I'll not that FDR did employ private firms to do New Deal government work, it wasn't all a socialist utopia of all working for the government. Did that make his administration's work to create a social democracy null and void, or did it work?

Regarding that mean old Obama and leaks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022862201

I could go on about it, but that's just a few hints.
Many think extreme comments get more attention. DCBob Aug 2013 #1
It's about the time. If General Eisenhower were President now, he would be middle to center right. BlueJazz Aug 2013 #2
As he was when he was elected. Eisenhower was no political ideologue in any sense. Ikonoklast Aug 2013 #62
because they are spoild ninnies who have no clue. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #3
+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #41
I am guessing you are young Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #69
President Obama chooses the people he thinks are the best Cha Aug 2013 #70
He's an institutional conservative leveymg Aug 2013 #4
Hi Leveymg, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #13
Trolling mwrguy Aug 2013 #5
Bullshit. Democrats are free to criticize from the Left. That's not trolling or even trollish. leveymg Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, you're free to "criticize" President Obama.. all over Cha Aug 2013 #12
Of course...coming to the BOG to bash Obama is not trolling, right? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #17
Have you ever wondered Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #18
And yet … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #29
And there are those that troll safe haven groups. JTFrog Aug 2013 #21
Maybe you can understand this comparison: IrishAyes Aug 2013 #34
I am guessing you are a recent Democrat or... Notafraidtoo Aug 2013 #6
Because it makes them Cha Aug 2013 #8
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #20
.. Cha Aug 2013 #23
If Lincoln ran today ... zbdent Aug 2013 #9
Reality Robbins Aug 2013 #10
Labels! They love throwing those out. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #11
Because Obama dennis4868 Aug 2013 #14
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #15
uh... IrishAyes Aug 2013 #35
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #36
Because they have confused libertarianism with liberalism. The LP and Paulies are using that tack. freshwest Aug 2013 #16
^^^^^ hopemountain Aug 2013 #31
I would be happy to debate this point with you vigorously outside the confines of this safe harbor DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #37
Well, you fully understand that GD is the place for that. IrishAyes Aug 2013 #42
KUDOS to you! IrishAyes Aug 2013 #43
I want to take that post and beat people over the head with it. Ikonoklast Aug 2013 #63
Purported leftists can't wrap their minds around pragmatic liberals. BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #19
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #22
I thnk we have a good example of this.. with the post Cha Aug 2013 #24
Right In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #25
They have been buying the Ron Paul, Libertarian, Teabagger kool-aid, themselves: freshwest Aug 2013 #28
Exactly, thank you, freshwest! We're the Party of Common Sense Progressive Cha Aug 2013 #30
Because they're wrong. bravenak Aug 2013 #26
hard to answer in BOG zipplewrath Aug 2013 #27
He wasn't asking you.. he was asking BOG members. Cha Aug 2013 #40
Okay, but.... zipplewrath Aug 2013 #46
No worries.. we have your number after all these years. Cha Aug 2013 #53
Are you insinuating IrishAyes Aug 2013 #44
No zipplewrath Aug 2013 #45
And you couldn't give the rest of us - including the OP - credit for already knowing that? IrishAyes Aug 2013 #47
Wow, touched a nerve zipplewrath Aug 2013 #48
If you play golf like a demented traffic cop, IrishAyes Aug 2013 #49
Too late to "mind your manners".. Cha Aug 2013 #56
This is the Barack Obama Group for members only. End of story. Cha Aug 2013 #54
As a long time, and pretty good golfer ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #66
Duh Doctor_J Aug 2013 #50
Perhaps Jamaal is perfectly capable IrishAyes Aug 2013 #58
Because Fox News uses the phrase "center right" all the time. freshwest Aug 2013 #32
The only reason you're confused IrishAyes Aug 2013 #33
+1,000 freshwest Aug 2013 #38
Part of it is a combination of rising expectations and pent up demand from years of frustration. grantcart Aug 2013 #39
Agreed; but it seems … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #67
Well, the Affordable Care Act is essentially the 1993 Republican Healthcare Plan. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #51
Going in with a 'center left" solution wouldn't have passed.. Cha Aug 2013 #52
Which makes his signature achievement center right and Obama Center Right on healthcare. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #55
Bullshit. Only to those who don't get it. Cha Aug 2013 #57
And tell them ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #59
Hey.. I read reports that actually PBO is quite strong with "Liberals" which Cha Aug 2013 #60
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #61
Well … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #68
What part of this is a safe haven for those who support President Coolest Ranger Aug 2013 #64
Hey Coolest Ranger.. Cha Aug 2013 #65
My my, you sure were busy yesterday! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #71
Re: Jamal Coolest Ranger Aug 2013 #72
Because it is a lazy, easy, slur designed to denigrate his Democratic credentials. Hekate Aug 2013 #73
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