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Barack Obama

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sheshe2

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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:05 PM Mar 2013

It was true then, It is true today. [View all]

Why Obama Still Matters
Andrew Sullivan NOV 21 2011


The one thing I noticed in my continental run-around this past week is just how mad liberals are at Obama. I remain as baffled by this anger as I am by Republican contempt for the guy.New York magazine has two superb essays that sum up my own feelings on both sides pretty perfectly – by Jon Chait and David Frum. Chait notes how systemic and eternal liberal disenchantment is, and how congenitally useless Democrats are in rallying round a leader, even one who has achieved so much in such a short time. Many Dems even now think Clinton was more successful in fighting the GOP in his first term than Obama has been. (Memo to the left: universal healthcare was achieved under Obama). But much of this is the usual Democratic limpness and whininess. If George Bush had taken out Osama bin Laden, wiped out al Qaeda's leadership and gathered a treasure trove of real intelligence by a daring raid, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now. If he'd done the equivalent on the right of universal healthcare, he'd be the second coming of Reagan. But Obama and liberals? If I hear one more gripe about single payer from someone in their fifties with a ponytail, I'll scream.

But the right is more unhinged and more dangerously full of denial. Since I was never structurally or financially or socially linked to the Washington right, I was immune to the withdrawal of jobs, money and access doled out to any dissenter in the Bush years. But every now and again, I get some kind of amazed look – "You're not going to back Obama again, are you?" – from someone in the conservative cocoon, and when I respond, "So far, you bet!", there is often a long pause and a genuine sadness on their faces. "What the hell happened to him?" you can hear them asking themselves.

Some of this is as head-scratching for me as it is for David:

Some of the smartest and most sophisticated people I know—canny investors, erudite authors—sincerely and passionately believe that President Barack Obama has gone far beyond conventional American liberalism and is willfully and relentlessly driving the United States down the road to socialism. No counterevidence will dissuade them from this belief: not record-high corporate profits, not almost 500,000 job losses in the public sector, not the lowest tax rates since the Truman administration. It is not easy to fit this belief alongside the equally strongly held belief that the president is a pitiful, bumbling amateur, dazed and overwhelmed by a job too big for him—and yet that is done too.

Did you get the impression from the GOP debates that Obama had lowered taxes? That he had not nationalized but saved the banks? That he had dispatched Osama and Qaddafi? That he had 60 percent support for a sane and succcessful foreign policy? That he was an exemplar of all those social values conservatives say they support: a model husband and father, a black man who has eschewed identity politics almost entirely, a president whose speeches are among the most intellectually Christian of any in modern times? This strange, bizarre hostility to him I put down to displaced anger at Bush, to cultural panic among the old, but also to a wider propaganda support system that is truly a sight to behold:

SNIP:

It was never my party, but it was one to which I could once accord regular agreement and respect. No more. I remain unrepentant in my support for this president, a man who has accomplished more in the face of a more hostile environment in his first three years than any president since Johnson. I wish more reasonable Dems and a few moderate Republicans will soon have the courage to say so.


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http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2011/11/21/why-obama-still-matters/
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He's not the only one not swayed by the hatred. We're still fortunate to have PBO. freshwest Mar 2013 #1
We are so very fortunate to have this President. sheshe2 Mar 2013 #7
Somehow I'd rec'd that but not really read it through in this context. Thanks, sheshe. freshwest Mar 2013 #9
You, freshwest are most welcome! n/t sheshe2 Mar 2013 #12
"Universal healthcare was achieved under Obama"? freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #2
That statement wasn't quite correct. But it's close to making ins. coverage universally available. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #6
Except for, oh I don't know, Medicare or the coverage afforded members of Congress or Armed Services DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #10
No, ins. coverage hasn't always been universally available to most of the people. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #13
"Coverage" is not care eridani Mar 2013 #16
This is not a post about a national care system. This is a post about health care coverage. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #46
It pays for it treestar Mar 2013 #49
No, insurance doesn't pay for health care--not if they turn down your claim eridani Mar 2013 #52
If they turn down a claim due to treestar Mar 2013 #53
Insurance companies turn down claims for things that are supposed to be covered all the time eridani Mar 2013 #54
Our country doesn't have a single payer system, so that's irrelevant. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #56
Private insurance does not exist for the purpose of minimizing claims treestar Mar 2013 #57
It's a way of paying whose purpose is to provide health care for ALL eridani Mar 2013 #59
Murderers. Now you're getting out of hand. treestar Mar 2013 #60
Private insurance is the cause of people dying because they can't pay for health care eridani Mar 2013 #61
For the umpteenth time, this isn't a thread about a system our country doesn't have. It's about Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #55
Evidentally you didn't read my post close enough. "...available to anyone that can afford it." DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #19
No one can be denied emergency care...this is true. It's the law. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #47
I'm in the same boat as you Honeycombe. I've got a few years to go until I can qualify for Medicare xtraxritical Mar 2013 #41
I feel for you. I have coverage now thru employer, but I was unemployed a short time Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #48
Happy Easter HC. I've seen that web site, thanks you. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #50
Andrew Sullivan is a conservagay. While he isn't as completely nutzoid as his contemporaries... DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #8
I will be happy to provide you with some links... sheshe2 Mar 2013 #14
This is (now) a thread on the Greatest Page. freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #20
It does not matter that this OP sheshe2 Mar 2013 #22
Oh, I see, I could get barred from posting within the group. freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #24
right d_b Mar 2013 #18
President Obama still remains Strong in the face Cha Mar 2013 #3
From your post, Cha sheshe2 Mar 2013 #26
No worries, she.. I see you Cha Mar 2013 #38
If a person just hangs around DU all the time, Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #30
Exactly Jamaal.. Cha Mar 2013 #40
APPLAUSE APPLAUSE APPLAUSE. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #4
Thank you Honeycombe8! sheshe2 Mar 2013 #15
Universal health care achieved kairos12 Mar 2013 #5
I think that you should be talking to your Governor...and the rest of the GOP sheshe2 Mar 2013 #11
OK thanks for the information kairos12 Mar 2013 #37
kairos, there is this too. sheshe2 Mar 2013 #43
And your problems are Obama's fault, how? freshwest Mar 2013 #17
Thanks for the chart, freshwest! Cha Mar 2013 #21
I've no idea which ones have or haven't. But traditional Medicaid, as in my OP here, covers more. freshwest Mar 2013 #23
Is that the result of last fall's election? freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #25
It was, or about the same. The fight is within the states, where it always was. freshwest Mar 2013 #33
~~~ sheshe2 Mar 2013 #29
+1 and Thank you! sheshe2 Mar 2013 #27
What a wonderful colorful map kairos12 Mar 2013 #34
WHAT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE? Demeter Mar 2013 #28
Please read post #22 sheshe2 Mar 2013 #32
OK, this is pathetic. salib Mar 2013 #31
Please read post #22 sheshe2 Mar 2013 #35
sullivan writes a good article that I agree with. riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #36
Welcome to the BOG, riverbend. sheshe2 Mar 2013 #39
Hi riverbendviewgal.. you have our US media's number! Cha Mar 2013 #42
Cha sheshe2 Mar 2013 #44
Look at you with your Cha Mar 2013 #45
I have looked at The Obama Diary quite a few times riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #62
Andrew Sullivan is a conservative. He never misses a chance to refer dismissively to "lefies" as if MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #51
Memo to the OP: bvar22 Mar 2013 #58
That's a fair point, but on the other hand, ucrdem Apr 2013 #63
Gee I didn't know Sully felt this way. ucrdem Apr 2013 #64
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