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In reply to the discussion: Hillary, Honduras, and the Murder of My Friend Berta [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)6. Originally, President Obama backed ousted Honduran president Zelaya
Here's a lesson for you.
Dancing with Monsters: The U.S. Response to the 2009 Honduran Coup
"A coup anywhere in Latin America is a very big deal.
By Alvaro Valle
Harvard Political Review, April 13, 2015
SNIP...
The U.S. Response
Latin American governments immediately denounced Zelayas ouster as a military coup. The United States was not quite as decisive in its diction, with the initial statement from the Obama administration merely calling on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms. Obama did go on to denounce the coup in the following days, but Frank noted that Obamas characterization of the government change was very important. He very clearly failed to call it a military coup. If he had called it a military coup, the United States would have had to immediately suspend all police and military aid, Frank explained. Eventually some money sent was suspended, but the vast majority was not.
Following the coup, President Obama called many times for the reinstatement of Zelaya. In contrast, Secretary of State Clinton made remarks that were far more equivocal. When asked if the United States had any plans to alter aid to the coup government, , Much of our assistance is conditioned on the integrity of the democratic system. But if we were able to get to a status quo that returned to the rule of law and constitutional order within a relatively short period of time, I think that would be a good outcome. Clinton seemed to prioritize having a stable regime over preserving democratic ideals.
As further evidence, Clinton wrote in her book, Hard Choices, In the subsequent days [after the coup] we strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot, revealing that even as the administration publicly advocated for Zelayas return, Clinton was not working to ensure that it would happen.
Pastor added that Clinton had personal connections with supporters of the coup government that may have led her to soften her stance. For instance, Lanny Davis, Bill Clintons former personal lawyer and a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter, lobbied in Washington for the Honduran coup government, Honduran elites, the Business Council of Latin America, and the American companies that took issue with Zelayas reforms. Bennett Ratcliff, another top Democratic campaigner with close ties to the Clintons, also worked for the Honduran coup government as a lobbyist in Washington. These personal connections to advocates for the coup government raise troubling concerns that political ties influenced Clintons stance.
In Clintons defense, these personal connections were not the only political forces supporting the coup. Levitsky noted that initial opposition to the coup in the United States may have given way because Republicans held a couple of major U.S.-Latin America appointments: the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs and the Ambassador to Brazil. They held these positions hostage to a softening of U.S. policy toward the coup government.
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http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/us-honduran-coup/
Which is not what you wrote, tonyt53.
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billhicks76
May 2016
#18
Wow.......you just justified everyone who calls the hillary camp REPUBLICAN-LITE
DemMomma4Sanders
May 2016
#87
No, Sanders people are lying about Hillary having anything to do with Honduras;
lewebley3
Jun 2016
#102
Living in a fantasy world where Hillary can do no wrong doesn't mean ur opposition is wrong.
DemMomma4Sanders
Jun 2016
#106
I do have a lot of material: because their so many lies made up by Sanders people
lewebley3
Jun 2016
#99
The petulant will be those who sit back and let Trump win and subsequently destroy the human race.
Actor
May 2016
#77
Uh, time for a government lesson - the Secretary of State does what the President tells them to do.
tonyt53
May 2016
#2
Are you suggesting Obama should have sent troops in? Is it the US's job to make sure
pnwmom
May 2016
#9
Obama withdrew non-humanitarian aid and joined the OAS and UN in condemning the coup.
pnwmom
May 2016
#42
No, it just has conspiracy nuts who think every cat stuck up a tree is a CIA plot n/t
Marksman_91
May 2016
#90
Should the US have sent in troops to Zelaya back in office? What did Hillary do that was wrong? nt
pnwmom
May 2016
#10
What should they have done differently? How should they have supported this President--
pnwmom
May 2016
#30
Hillary did the right thing and stayed out of it: Its what the American's want
lewebley3
May 2016
#45
There is hope in having Hillary as President and Dem congress: Hope in voting
lewebley3
Jun 2016
#104
How did you never acknowledge what Honduras has been to the US all these years,
Judi Lynn
May 2016
#81
You are most welcome, mountain grammy! Lookit what DU has on Bennet Ratcliff...
Octafish
May 2016
#24
You announce that if you don't say it happened, it didn't? That simplifies things, considerably! n/t
Judi Lynn
May 2016
#82
So great reading your information, Octofish. Even the expression "the question of Zelaya" tells us
Judi Lynn
May 2016
#86
All Hillary's fault? This happened several years after she left office. Is she all powerful?
pnwmom
May 2016
#8
Yes, she "admitted" that she called for new elections. As i already asked, what SHOULD she and
pnwmom
May 2016
#21
What should Hillary and Obama have done? Send US troops in, instead of calling for
pnwmom
May 2016
#23
You won't get an answer. Zelaya was going to make Honduras like Denmark in his last 6 months
Bacchus4.0
May 2016
#33
Because he was the President with the ultimate authority for determining policy. And
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Will not read anything with those ridiculous insects running around. Childish and distracting.
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May 2016
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Will not read anything with those ridiculous insects running around. Childish and distracting.
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You make the social issues sound very unimportant. I guess they would be more important
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So glad you have read these. We are all learning together, believe me. You are very kind. n/t
Judi Lynn
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and it's a nice alternative to the denialists' "what does the Secretary of State have to do
MisterP
May 2016
#83
There's no opening in their minds, unfortunately. Information can't penetrate. Sad! n/t
Judi Lynn
May 2016
#92
Ah, one of the most time-worn, comical claims! The "coup, not a military coup" coup.
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May 2016
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