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Octafish

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6. Originally, President Obama backed ousted Honduran president Zelaya
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

Here's a lesson for you.



Dancing with Monsters: The U.S. Response to the 2009 Honduran Coup

"A coup anywhere in Latin America is a very big deal.”


By Alvaro Valle
Harvard Political Review, April 13, 2015

SNIP...

The U.S. Response

Latin American governments immediately denounced Zelaya’s ouster as a military coup. The United States was not quite as decisive in its diction, with the initial statement from the Obama administration merely calling on “all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms.” Obama did go on to denounce the coup in the following days, but Frank noted that Obama’s characterization of the government change was very important. “He very clearly failed to call it a military coup. If he had called it a military coup, the United States would have had to immediately suspend all police and military aid,” Frank explained. “Eventually some money sent was suspended, but the vast majority was not.”

Following the coup, President Obama called many times for the reinstatement of Zelaya. In contrast, Secretary of State Clinton made remarks that were far more equivocal. When asked if the United States had any plans to alter aid to the coup government, , “Much of our assistance is conditioned on the integrity of the democratic system. But if we were able to get to a status quo that returned to the rule of law and constitutional order within a relatively short period of time, I think that would be a good outcome.” Clinton seemed to prioritize having a stable regime over preserving democratic ideals.

As further evidence, Clinton wrote in her book, Hard Choices, “In the subsequent days [after the coup] … we strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot,” revealing that even as the administration publicly advocated for Zelaya’s return, Clinton was not working to ensure that it would happen.

Pastor added that Clinton had personal connections with supporters of the coup government that may have led her to soften her stance. For instance, Lanny Davis, Bill Clinton’s former personal lawyer and a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter, lobbied in Washington for the Honduran coup government, Honduran elites, the Business Council of Latin America, and the American companies that took issue with Zelaya’s reforms. Bennett Ratcliff, another top Democratic campaigner with close ties to the Clintons, also worked for the Honduran coup government as a lobbyist in Washington. These personal connections to advocates for the coup government raise troubling concerns that political ties influenced Clinton’s stance.

In Clinton’s defense, these personal connections were not the only political forces supporting the coup. Levitsky noted that initial opposition to the coup in the United States may have given way because “Republicans held a couple of major U.S.-Latin America appointments: the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs and the Ambassador to Brazil. They held these positions hostage to a softening of U.S. policy toward the coup government.”

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http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/us-honduran-coup/



Which is not what you wrote, tonyt53.

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Interesting anecdote - TBF May 2016 #1
Clintonites Just Close Their Eyes And SayNa-Na-Na-Na Like Petulant Children billhicks76 May 2016 #18
The US doesn't govern Honduras: and we are not responsible for lewebley3 May 2016 #43
Right, so what's the deal with Hill's coup - TBF May 2016 #52
What left wing nonsense: Hillary SEC state not the President lewebley3 May 2016 #55
Left Wing? billhicks76 May 2016 #57
No, I am progressive: I am not a left wing whinning tea bagger lewebley3 Jun 2016 #103
Is she going to blame POTUS for her secret server as well? TBF May 2016 #61
The Read report cleared Hillary: No laws were broken lewebley3 May 2016 #85
Great, I'm sure Comey will be impressed. nt TBF May 2016 #91
You wouldn't be impressed with any one as successful as Hillary: you lewebley3 Jun 2016 #100
Lovely personal insult - TBF Jun 2016 #110
Just the truth lewebley3 Jun 2016 #111
Wow.......you just justified everyone who calls the hillary camp REPUBLICAN-LITE DemMomma4Sanders May 2016 #87
No, Sanders people are lying about Hillary having anything to do with Honduras; lewebley3 Jun 2016 #102
Living in a fantasy world where Hillary can do no wrong doesn't mean ur opposition is wrong. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #106
Hillary is a politician: she is not St.Bernard lewebley3 Jun 2016 #107
So is Iraq billhicks76 May 2016 #56
You attempt to attack Hillary is lame lewebley3 May 2016 #59
"Your attack" TBF May 2016 #60
I do have a lot of material: because their so many lies made up by Sanders people lewebley3 Jun 2016 #99
Actually I Was Evaluating You billhicks76 May 2016 #94
You cannot evaluate me: you don't have any facts; that has not stoped you lewebley3 Jun 2016 #98
Dude you know nothing Perogie May 2016 #88
The US has a history for decades: Not Hillary: lewebley3 Jun 2016 #101
Like I said nothing Perogie Jun 2016 #108
Everyone know it, especially the professional liars. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #109
The petulant will be those who sit back and let Trump win and subsequently destroy the human race. Actor May 2016 #77
Uh, time for a government lesson - the Secretary of State does what the President tells them to do. tonyt53 May 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #4
Are you suggesting Obama should have sent troops in? Is it the US's job to make sure pnwmom May 2016 #9
tell it to the OAS reddread May 2016 #15
Tell what? You're avoiding the question. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #29
tacit approval or full support reddread May 2016 #34
Obama withdrew non-humanitarian aid and joined the OAS and UN in condemning the coup. pnwmom May 2016 #42
how abouit not *actively supportinmg* the coup? noiretextatique May 2016 #35
There is nothing the US could do:This post is a left wing tea bagger post lewebley3 May 2016 #44
The left wing doesn't have an extreme right-wing idiot side. Judi Lynn May 2016 #80
No, it just has conspiracy nuts who think every cat stuck up a tree is a CIA plot n/t Marksman_91 May 2016 #90
Well... ReRe May 2016 #5
Should the US have sent in troops to Zelaya back in office? What did Hillary do that was wrong? nt pnwmom May 2016 #10
I'm no expert on Hillary's... ReRe May 2016 #28
"threw her conscience in the trash." 406-Boz May 2016 #12
What should they have done differently? How should they have supported this President-- pnwmom May 2016 #30
See #6 directly below please. nt ReRe May 2016 #31
That doesn't answer the question. Obama denounced the coup, pnwmom May 2016 #32
Hillary explained what she should have done. JDPriestly May 2016 #89
Hillary did the right thing and stayed out of it: Its what the American's want lewebley3 May 2016 #45
lewebley3... ReRe May 2016 #48
He already called the OP a "left wing tea bagger" post SalviaBlue May 2016 #49
Amy Goodman is a left wing tea bagger: but Yes I listen to her program lewebley3 May 2016 #58
Exactly shenmue May 2016 #64
There's no hope, is there? ReRe May 2016 #65
Stop attacking Hillary for everything: she is good leader lewebley3 May 2016 #71
Yeah... ReRe May 2016 #78
There is hope in having Hillary as President and Dem congress: Hope in voting lewebley3 Jun 2016 #104
How did you never acknowledge what Honduras has been to the US all these years, Judi Lynn May 2016 #81
Well said, ReRe. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #76
Originally, President Obama backed ousted Honduran president Zelaya Octafish May 2016 #6
Thank you, Octafish! mountain grammy May 2016 #13
You are most welcome, mountain grammy! Lookit what DU has on Bennet Ratcliff... Octafish May 2016 #24
Its one of dumbest things posted: Hillary has nothing to do with Honduras lewebley3 May 2016 #46
You announce that if you don't say it happened, it didn't? That simplifies things, considerably! n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #82
Again Hillary has nothing do with Honduras problems lewebley3 May 2016 #84
So great reading your information, Octofish. Even the expression "the question of Zelaya" tells us Judi Lynn May 2016 #86
SoS does what president says... So why did Hillary Melissa G May 2016 #20
Clinton just spreading more "democracy". nm rhett o rick May 2016 #3
Hillary's fans aren't concerned about this: Herman4747 May 2016 #7
Democrats for Kissinger! reddread May 2016 #16
She ADORES her some Henry! doesn't look at Bill like that! Divernan May 2016 #37
Hillary is not responsible for Honduras: The Honduran's are lewebley3 May 2016 #47
All Hillary's fault? This happened several years after she left office. Is she all powerful? pnwmom May 2016 #8
Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduras coup aftermath reddread May 2016 #17
Yes, she "admitted" that she called for new elections. As i already asked, what SHOULD she and pnwmom May 2016 #21
Is W all-powerful for ISIS taking power after he left office? (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #19
What should Hillary and Obama have done? Send US troops in, instead of calling for pnwmom May 2016 #23
Nope! It turns out there are options besides guns! jeff47 May 2016 #25
You haven't answered. How were they supposed to "support" him, pnwmom May 2016 #27
You won't get an answer. Zelaya was going to make Honduras like Denmark in his last 6 months Bacchus4.0 May 2016 #33
By *NOT* supporting those who overthrew him!!! Herman4747 May 2016 #51
Are you aware that his term of office was almost over? And that Obama pnwmom May 2016 #53
Why bring up Obama? Herman4747 May 2016 #54
Because he was the President with the ultimate authority for determining policy. And pnwmom May 2016 #62
Did you elect not to learn from the professor? Herman4747 May 2016 #66
It was "moot" because his term of office was almost over, pnwmom May 2016 #67
So then, under your logic, it would be okay to: Herman4747 May 2016 #68
The situation in Honduras was much murkier than you are portraying pnwmom May 2016 #70
If it's "murky" as you say, then the best thing would be... Herman4747 May 2016 #72
The link works if you copy and paste. I don't know why I couldn't post it. nt pnwmom May 2016 #73
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This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #14
S/He really does exemplify a Clinton supporter-laughing at murdered children. Divernan May 2016 #39
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Hillary is world corporate domination with a few social issues thrown in for flavor. jalan48 May 2016 #36
You make the social issues sound very unimportant. I guess they would be more important Actor May 2016 #79
Not at all-it makes the economic domination more palatable too. jalan48 May 2016 #95
Thanks Judi Lynn for speaking truth to power about Central/So. America! Divernan May 2016 #38
So glad you have read these. We are all learning together, believe me. You are very kind. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #74
and it's a nice alternative to the denialists' "what does the Secretary of State have to do MisterP May 2016 #83
There's no opening in their minds, unfortunately. Information can't penetrate. Sad! n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #92
"it's a coup! not a military coup!" MisterP May 2016 #96
Ah, one of the most time-worn, comical claims! The "coup, not a military coup" coup. Judi Lynn May 2016 #97
For those Hillary supporters where it is all about gender LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #50
Ouch. You're right.A woman who would give HER live for her fellow humans is worth more than millions Judi Lynn May 2016 #93
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #63
Thank you, Uncle Joe. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #75
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