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In reply to the discussion: "rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]Warren DeMontague
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Also:
http://reason.com/archives/2005/04/19/womans-hating
Dworkin's defenders insist that she has been unfairly maligned as equating all heterosexual sex with rape when she merely assailed male sexual dominance. Yet in her 1987 book, Intercourse, Dworkin argued that penetration itself is a form of "occupation" and "violation of female boundaries," however enthusiastically enjoyed by "the occupied person." She wrote that "intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior" and is "the pure, sterile, formal expression of men's contempt for women." "All sex is rape" is fairly accurate shorthand for these ravings.
While allowing that intercourse could survive under gender equality, Dworkin was skeptical ("intercourse itself may be immune to reform"

http://reason.com/blog/2005/04/17/the-dworkin-whitewash
Dworkin had this to say about a feminist transformation of sexuality: "For men I suspect that this transformation begins in the place they most dread -- that is, in a limp penis. I think that men will have to give up their precious erections and begin to make love as women do together."
If you really want to defend Andrea Dworkin's words, knock yourself out. However, despite backpedaling in later years, she was certainly not what you would call a promoter of anything resembling rational ideas pertaining to human sexuality.
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"rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
OP
Yeah, seems to me a concrete and unequivocal concept of consent is the obvious starting point.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#4
Also: That's an illuminating question, which one could also ask about radical anti-choicers.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#16
There must be some type of condition that causes people to come up with and believe this warped shit
Major Nikon
Aug 2012
#10
The theory of evolution was written by a penis-wielding member of the patriarchy
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#23
Strict adherence to any religion forces you to believe silly things from time to time
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#25
Or politics, or philosophy, or economics, or art... or pretty much anything.
LanternWaste
May 2013
#55
I don't know of too many economists who think the Flintstones really happened
Major Nikon
May 2013
#56
They don't believe it's natural, and yeah, Dworkin and MacKinnon would qualify the statements
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#31
This stuff, in August of last year mind you, didn't just materialize out of the vacuum.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#66
You had reason to suspect the Space Patriarchy would be any different than the terrestrial one?
Major Nikon
Jul 2013
#75
But, what if she gets the Big "O" while some guy is muff-diving? Is that OK?
Eleanors38
Aug 2013
#77
Gotcha. Sorry, people keep trying to drag me into this silly fucking argument.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#82