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Think. Again.

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Mon Jul 24, 2023, 08:30 AM Jul 2023

A dispatch from the dawn of the green hydrogen era [View all]

Canary gets a firsthand look at electrolyzer maker Verdagy’s pilot line. It’s one of many companies hoping to cash in on lucrative new subsidies for fossil-free hydrogen.

24 July 2023
Eric Wesoff, Canary Media
Full article: https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/hydrogen/a-dispatch-from-the-dawn-of-the-green-hydrogen-era


The interior of Verdagy's pilot plant in Moss Landing, Calif. (Verdagy)

MOSS LANDING, California — A green hydrogen boom is about to jolt American heavy industry, and it’s all thanks to a set of tax incentives that are wildly generous, wickedly complex — and still not fully finalized.

Hydrogen is carbon-free if produced with renewable energy, and some experts see it as the key to decarbonizing certain ​“difficult-to-abate” industries. As of now, the fuel exists more in clean-energy models than in the real world, as almost all hydrogen is currently made with fossil gas.

But now we may be at the dawning of the green-hydrogen economy, as tens of billions of dollars in Inflation Reduction Act incentives encourage both startups and established companies to invest in driving down the cost of generating the carbon-free fuel.
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The clean-hydrogen production tax credit in the IRA is ​“incredibly rich,” said Jane Sadler, an associate at think tank RMI’s U.S. program, during a recent webinar. (Canary Media is an independent affiliate of RMI.)

“It’s definitely going to change the landscape of hydrogen,” she added. ​“Unlike some tax credits in the IRA, the uncapped hydrogen incentive is available as direct pay (rather than a credit) to any applicant for five years and 10 years to tax-exempt applicants.”

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Much more at: https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/hydrogen/a-dispatch-from-the-dawn-of-the-green-hydrogen-era
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What is the efficiency and amount of energy per kg used by the electrol,ers. CentralMass Jul 2023 #1
Efficiency... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #2
There are a number of ways to compare efficiency. CentralMass Jul 2023 #3
But why would you compare... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #4
Regardless if where the electricity is coming from, direct use of theelectricity is more CentralMass Jul 2023 #6
Okay... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #7
I would suggest that EV's are the long term solution for personal transportation and some other CentralMass Jul 2023 #10
Good point!... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #16
I am no expert (obviously) but there are advancements veing made. CentralMass Jul 2023 #24
I didn't know about those! Think. Again. Jul 2023 #25
There are several alternatives OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #34
Charging a battery is not "direct use of the electricity" Caribbeans Jul 2023 #31
Here is a link explaining the efficiencies of HFCV's and EV's CentralMass Jul 2023 #33
On the other hand, we need to look at the today's grid OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #5
Yeah but .... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #8
We only get to where we're going, if we understand where we are OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #9
I absolutely agree with you... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #12
Try this on for size... OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #15
Locate Chicago. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #17
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This message was self-deleted by its author Think. Again. Jul 2023 #20
Let me make this question easier for you OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #27
Again... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #35
You've changed the question OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #37
Yes... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #38
I would look at a map OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #39
Cool... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #40
Have you ever been in such a hurry... OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #41
yes.... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #42
Classic horror movie trope: Making mistakes because you're in such a hurry to escape imminent death OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #43
Classic tragicomedy trope: Think. Again. Jul 2023 #46
"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #44
If you've ever stayed in a hotel or motel OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #45
Yes... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #47
S.T.O.P. OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #49
I'm beginning to think... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #50
Unfortunately, Think. Again. Jul 2023 #48
but you asked me the wrong question... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #19
Which point? Where? OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #21
the point we are at where we are emitting CO2... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #22
That is not the case. I read an article in Forbes citing data from one if the large CentralMass Jul 2023 #11
Yes, Think. Again. Jul 2023 #13
My "facts" may no longer be true. OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #14
I hope it doesn't get confusing when we... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #23
I'm all for green solutions but in actually practice effective carbon capture CentralMass Jul 2023 #26
I think what it comes down to is this, "It all depends." OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #28
Here is an article on where Japan has failed in its efforts to switch to a hydrogen economy CentralMass Jul 2023 #29
I may read it later. I've read what I suspect are similar analyses OKIsItJustMe Jul 2023 #30
That article on Japan... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #36
Hydrogen has its uses fir decarbonizung industrial processes CentralMass Jul 2023 #51
I agree. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #52
JUNE 2023: Japan earmarks $107 billion for developing hydrogen Caribbeans Jul 2023 #32
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