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kristopher

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26. What is the specific problem you want storage to solve?
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 08:45 PM
Jun 2012

You first need to answer that question before you start looking at the best way to solve it. The goal of being carbon neutral is good, but that is a characteristic you want to incorporate into your solution, it doesn't define the problem.

Is the problem meeting home heating needs in Maine during the month of January?

Do you want to provide power for your automobile?

Does a hospital need to have emergency power available no matter what?

The list you presented is a start but trying to incorporate the pros and cons into it is premature without a specific application in mind. What might be the best solution for a large agricultural operation will require a degree of energy portability that supplying an office complex wouldn't, so the solutions would probably be different.

Also, I'd suggest that neither heat storage nor battery storage are characterized by "noxious by-products". There are some technologies in these categories that you might say that about, but not-so-much for most of them (lithium, zinc and NIMH (chemical) ice or rock batteries (thermal).

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Electric motors can provide 100% torque just about instantaneously LARED Jun 2012 #1
Race cars have been the R&D platform for a number of automobile technologies. OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #2
Unfortunately hydrogen is not an energy source. longship Jun 2012 #3
Petroleum products are also not an energy source. They merely store energy in the form of chemical kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #4
What????? longship Jun 2012 #5
And how (exactly) is this relevant? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #6
Thank you. You just made my point. longship Jun 2012 #8
And the point that I made was…? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #9
Hydrogen is fucking NOT a source of energy!!! longship Jun 2012 #12
I believe everyone knows that OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #13
Okay, OKIsItJustMe. longship Jun 2012 #14
“I confess that my teaching life more than occasionally kicks in here on DU.” OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #15
Water, Sunlight intaglio Jun 2012 #7
Well, you've made my point. longship Jun 2012 #10
I don't believe anyone here thinks that Hydrogen is an energy source. OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #11
There is not a natural source of gasoline intaglio Jun 2012 #19
It is thermodynamics 101 longship Jun 2012 #20
And if the energy is free, what happens to your calculations? intaglio Jun 2012 #21
I don't give a shit about efficiency of oil longship Jun 2012 #22
So what is your alternative? intaglio Jun 2012 #23
Well, I think we're on the same page longship Jun 2012 #24
What is the specific problem you want storage to solve? kristopher Jun 2012 #26
Hydrogen, as an energy carrier, is far more efficient than petroleum and H2 Cars will kick ass and.. NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #16
I like it to even out the day/night solar power cycle longship Jun 2012 #17
H2 peaker plants at every wind farm... NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #18
Would you propose putting peaking plants next to baseload plants? kristopher Jun 2012 #25
I'm in an ag area, and my reply was quite a generalization. NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #27
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