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In reply to the discussion: The apartheid myth [View all]

FarrenH

(768 posts)
25. The Oslo accords
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:12 AM
Feb 2016

described an interim arrangement intended to be a precursor to a final settlement. The Oslo accords did not create a Palestinian state or describe its final borders. It was a plan to facilitate the process of arriving at a viable, non-fragmented, autonomous state for Palestinians, with its own military defense, control of its own population registry et al through further negotiation, one that created temporary institutions like the PA to prepare for complete self-determination at some future time and give the Israelis formal institutions to negotiate that future state with on behalf of the Palestinian people.

Since Oslo, Israel has all but abandoned any pretense of negotiating a fair and final dispensation for the Palestinian people, settled nearly 400,000 settlers (IIRC) in areas understood at the time to be part of the planned Palestinian state, further divided and fragmented control of the land and resources intended at the time of Oslo to belong to a future Palestinian state and destroyed tens of thousands of homes, along with business and agricultural infrastructure. It has turned even the area under what were intended to be temporary and limited Palestinian self-governing structures into an archipelago of fragments that cannot constitute a viable, autonomous state, making the subsequent and quite different final settlement anticipated by the Oslo accords impossible to achieve.

The signees to Oslo weren't dumb, but they were wildly optimistic. They negotiated what was meant to be a transient condition and a preamble to a full and fair settlement and autonomy. In the intervening years since it was negotiated Israel has killed any chance of the final settlement envisioned under Oslo ever coming to fruit. The West Bank has become a de facto Bantustan. And the configuration of Israel and the occupied territories has become de facto Apartheid.

Mentally challenged idiots think that a temporary, wildly inadequate arrangement intended only to facilitate negotiation of a permanent, just, equitable and lasting arrangement indicates that the temporary arrangement was the final, desired outcome, or that anyone involved in negotiating that intended the de facto state of Apartheid that currently exists to be permanent, when it is easily demonstrated that they intended the exact opposite.

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The apartheid myth [View all] shira Feb 2016 OP
Questions: DetlefK Feb 2016 #1
All Israeli citizens are treated the same.... shira Feb 2016 #10
LOL.......... Israeli Feb 2016 #20
More Regressive Left trash. Sorry, not buying. No different than Totalitarian Fascist Right.... shira Feb 2016 #22
Chuckles ....... Israeli Feb 2016 #27
Your sources, dear...sources. Always Regressive Left. Not buying. n/t shira Feb 2016 #30
" Your sources, dear...sources." Always racist religious fascist right . Not buying. n/t Israeli Feb 2016 #39
LOL. The Regressive Left supports the religious fascist totalitarian Right. shira Feb 2016 #41
So voting for Meretz as you previously stated ..... Israeli Feb 2016 #42
We're talking sources - I don't waste time with 972, Mondoweiss, etc. shira Feb 2016 #46
Up to you shira .... Israeli Feb 2016 #48
I was not asking about israeli citizens. I was asking about Palestinians under israeli rule. DetlefK Feb 2016 #36
You demand Rights for Palestinians? Then why do you reject Israeli offers.... shira Feb 2016 #37
Please don't deflect. This is about the present situation, not the future. DetlefK Feb 2016 #38
Offers for their their own state were 15 years ago. I can't help but shake my head.... shira Feb 2016 #40
As silly as saying Iraq never invaded Kuwait Android3.14 Feb 2016 #2
There's no comparison b/w Israel & S.Africa. That's why Mandela never called Israel Apartheid..... shira Feb 2016 #11
The biggest challenge with racism is that racists rarely see they are racists Android3.14 Feb 2016 #12
I agree WRT anti-Israel racists. n/t shira Feb 2016 #14
And so the world goes. Android3.14 Feb 2016 #16
B'Tselem: Land Grab: Israel's Settlement Policy in the West Bank, May 2002 Little Tich Feb 2016 #3
Not even HRW and Amnesty call Israel Apartheid & they're in no way pro-Israel. shira Feb 2016 #7
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL REPORT 2014/15: THE STATE OF THE WORLD’S HUMAN RIGHTS Little Tich Feb 2016 #15
There's not a word in the Amnesty report about Apartheid. You proved my point. shira Feb 2016 #17
Human Rights Watch: Separate and Unequal: Israel’s Discriminatory Treatment of Palestinians in the Little Tich Feb 2016 #19
Again, proving my point. HRW doesn't mention Apartheid. shira Feb 2016 #21
Thanks, interesting report TubbersUK Feb 2016 #31
South Africa: The Apartheid Myth FarrenH Feb 2016 #4
The Oslo Accords in the 1990's setup the situation you claim is Apartheid... shira Feb 2016 #8
I believe that 24 years ago when Oslo was signed it was supposed last 5 years ending in a viable azurnoir Feb 2016 #23
Yes, so now the world & the Palestinians agreed to 5 years of Apartheid @ Oslo. shira Feb 2016 #24
The system wasn't quite as entrenched then as it is now lot's of water under that bridge azurnoir Feb 2016 #26
So "Apartheid" is International Law. Everyone signed on to it. Own it. n/t shira Feb 2016 #29
I think you're confused Oslo isn't "International Law" azurnoir Feb 2016 #32
It's legally binding, dear. Internationally recognized. n/t shira Feb 2016 #34
no if it was legally binding both parties would have been found in violation azurnoir Feb 2016 #43
The Oslo accords FarrenH Feb 2016 #25
So all Oslo signees including the UN, EU, US, UK, & Palestinians signed onto Apartheid. Nice. shira Feb 2016 #28
Shira's logic, in a nutshell: FarrenH Feb 2016 #33
Ridiculous comparison. Israel has offered the Palestinians Rights that you demand.... shira Feb 2016 #35
Accusing Israel of apartheid is like accusing Planned Parenthood of selling baby parts. Fozzledick Feb 2016 #5
You nailed it. Winner! n/t shira Feb 2016 #6
This! grossproffit Feb 2016 #9
Exactly! n/t aranthus Feb 2016 #13
Accusing others of blood libel or other anti-semitic tropes FarrenH Feb 2016 #44
Wow, looks like I really hit a nerve - truth can do that to someone who's in deep denial. Fozzledick Feb 2016 #45
The nerve you hit FarrenH Feb 2016 #47
Prove yourself. I want to see you denounce lying shitbags who call Israel Apartheid.... shira Feb 2016 #49
FarrenH....take a tip ... Israeli Feb 2016 #50
You can't answer either, I get it. Israel is called Apartheid WITHIN the '67 lines.... shira Feb 2016 #52
Seriously shira .... Israeli Feb 2016 #53
I never saw anyone call anyone a self hating Jew King_David Feb 2016 #56
Correct- again King_David Feb 2016 #55
Exactly right King_David Feb 2016 #54
Apartheid by consent............. Israeli Feb 2016 #18
I support Israel. The claims of "apartheid" are slanderous. NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #51
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