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shira

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20. The Haaretz article featured 2 ISM members....

Mon Mar 4, 2013, 08:57 AM

Mar 2013

Last edited Mon Mar 4, 2013, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

You can see the same picture here from 2011...
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/follow-the-freedom-rides.html

The ISM fully supports "resistance" to occupation (terror) and is for a 1-state solution that would result in a genuinely racist and apartheid PLO or Hamas entity ruling after full RoR. They are for BDS that rules out any cooperation and tolerance between Israelis and Palestinians.

Anyone remembering segregation and racism should keep that in mind.

At least Haaretz buried this nugget within the story so that's progress:

Any Palestinian who holds an entrance permit to the State of Israel is allowed by law to use public transportation. Officials at the Samaria and Judea District Police have said there is no change in the operation of the rest of the buses, nor is there any intention to remove Palestinians from other bus lines.

So what turns out to be good news (more buses) is portrayed as bad news. Note that there will be no change in the operation of any buses. No Palestinians will be turned away from the current buses and routes they use. They will just have more choice, and less crowded buses.

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Israel introduces 'Palestinian only' bus lines, following complaints from Jewish settlers [View all] The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP

These damn racist settlers again. Solindsey Mar 2013 #1

Now now, people will defend this here just like they would black's only buses here The Straight Story Mar 2013 #2

The bigots are wagging the finger, playing the victim, and ushering the Arabs to the back of the bus Solindsey Mar 2013 #4

Read #11 and comment on it. n/t shira Mar 2013 #14

No shit! 2naSalit Mar 2013 #102

Separate, but equal Tempest Mar 2013 #3

The new lines are not separate lines for Palestinians oberliner Mar 2013 #5

"not separate lines for Palestinians but rather two designated lines" Tempest Mar 2013 #6

didn't take long for someone to come out defending it... n/t delrem Mar 2013 #9

He's not assuming the worst like many here. See #11 below. n/t shira Mar 2013 #12

$10,000 says these buses are constantly stopped by the Israeli military Tempest Mar 2013 #7

the article is a bit confusing sabbat hunter Mar 2013 #8

The law would not allow this in the US Fumesucker Mar 2013 #10

See #11 about the law. n/t shira Mar 2013 #13

Some missing context.... shira Mar 2013 #11

I found a part that you didn't bold that sounds very Catch 22 to me. Fumesucker Mar 2013 #16

it will all be done on an informal basis shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #17

Talkback to TimesOfIsrael article... shira Mar 2013 #18

I grew up in a time and place where segregation was the norm Fumesucker Mar 2013 #19

The Haaretz article featured 2 ISM members.... shira Mar 2013 #20

what a load of bullshit shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #61

Claims of segregation are stilll stupid. And wiki says Afikim is owned... shira Mar 2013 #62

where does it say that? shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #63

You missed this from the OP (Haaretz) shira Mar 2013 #64

So you were bullshitting again? shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #65

I can't believe that one would try to sell this tactic as legitimate. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #69

Nope, here's a WIKI link. And the claims are still stupid as hell... shira Mar 2013 #71

If you're going to bullshit shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #98

The ministry JoDog Mar 2013 #112

God, you are shameless. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #68

What's shameless is the obvious hate speech, slander, and demonization.... shira Mar 2013 #74

You're a one trick pony, Shira. Give it up. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #78

Or this. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #33

Thousands of Israeli Arabs live in Jewish settlements. Is that Jim Crow? n/t shira Mar 2013 #82

Israeli Arabs? They're palestinians for God's sake! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #85

They're Palestinians living in settlements. How's that racist, apartheid, Jim Crow? n/t shira Mar 2013 #89

You just called them Israeli Arabs. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #92

They call themselves both, depending. Who am I to label? shira Mar 2013 #94

"Who am I to label?" You just did! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #96

Except she really did not. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #101

Hold on. Palestinians in the West Bank aren't Israeli Arabs... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #103

No they're not. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #118

Okay, but Israeli Arabs aren't the ones being segregated in this case... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #138

"Identity related terminology" R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #115

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #120

I don't pretend that Jim Crow doesn't exist in Israel when it R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #122

Israeli Arabs is an accepted, common term. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #99

I'm sure it is... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #114

Excuse me Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #117

"this is the first time anyone has ever insinuated that the term might in any way be racist." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #121

awwwe, poor baby. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #127

Oh, you're done with me? Good. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #130

Please try and refrain from putting words in others mouths. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #133

Strange. You wrote that you were done, yet keep on coming back. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #136

I am curious though... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #128

Oh, I thought that you were done with me, but yet you are back. Strange. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #132

And what about the word Arab is dehumanizing to you? Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #134

"I can almost see the tears streaming down your outraged, pouting face." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #137

Anyone who thinks 'Arab' is a derogatory, racist term..... shira Mar 2013 #159

Since you didn't read the previous post try again and just think about it for a while. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #166

I read it. I'm sorry this is so very embarassing for you, my friend. n/t shira Mar 2013 #167

Since you didn't read the previous post try again and just think about it for a while. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #171

This post was alerted on! The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand! ohiosmith Mar 2013 #123

Wait, you're joking, right? Recursion Mar 2013 #124

You see, this is the casual way of somebody saying that they are the smartest R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #129

Not at all. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #131

I'm not sure what you are arguing here now. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #135

You find 'Arab' to be a derogatory word? Seriously? Wow! n/t shira Mar 2013 #139

They're Palestinians, Shira, so why do you have the problem calling them that? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #141

In Israel, they call themselves either Israeli Arabs or Palestinians. shira Mar 2013 #143

Seeing how they were called Palestinians before the inception of Israel R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #145

Many call themselves Arab Israelis. You got a problem with that? shira Mar 2013 #146

Did they call themselves Palestinians before the inception of Israel, or perchance R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #148

The Jews of that area pre-1948 were also Palestinians, so? n/t shira Mar 2013 #150

So? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #153

Why don't you ask Israeli Arabs why they label themselves in such a derogatory way? n/t shira Mar 2013 #160

Why don't you ask Israelis why they started the practice? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #163

Huh? Israelis aren't responsible for how Israeli-Arabs label themselves. shira Mar 2013 #170

LOL! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #174

Good talk! n/t shira Mar 2013 #181

It's the responsibility of the Israeli govt to put a stop to bus companies engaging in segregation.. Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #15

There is no segregation happening. Find a real cause to battle. n/t shira Mar 2013 #21

Separating people by ethnicity and/or nationality IS segregation. Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #22

There's no policy change on the older bus routes. Any Palestinian can still ride.... shira Mar 2013 #31

To borrow a phrase from Violet, R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #38

Did you read this in the Haaretz article? shira Mar 2013 #43

There you go cherry picking again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #50

That's another issue altogether. The claim is these new buses = segregation. shira Mar 2013 #54

No, it's not. The practice of Jim Crow is alive and well, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #70

Not a very convincing argument. Seems all you can do is repeat propaganda.... shira Mar 2013 #72

It's in the article, Shira. You know...the one you keep on cherry picking from. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #75

What's there? Checkpoint policy at borders? Like crossing into Canada? shira Mar 2013 #79

I see you have come up with a new deflection. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #81

First error is you trust Machsom Watch. Second, unlike Canada.... shira Mar 2013 #83

Now that I have proven your disingenuous nature yet again R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #86

You're a legend in your own mind. Keep trucking! n/t shira Mar 2013 #90

Um... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #93

Do some research into Israel's Supreme Court.... shira Mar 2013 #95

We're done, Shira. Just go away. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #97

What's happening with those new routes is definitely segregation... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #104

"There is no segregation happening. Find a real cause to battle." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #34

I'm sure they did. And similar sentiments would have been expressed in South Africa as well n/t Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #105

Exactly. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #116

there is segregation happening shira Israeli Mar 2013 #24

Ofra Yeshua-Lyth is an interesting character oberliner Mar 2013 #25

Am I misreading this from the Haaretz OP.... shira Mar 2013 #49

yes she is a very interesting person Israeli Mar 2013 #100

thank you for your response oberliner Israeli Mar 2013 #108

I'll bite. shira Mar 2013 #110

Sorry I didn't see your message oberliner Mar 2013 #113

So a checkpoint b/w 2 nations is now segregation? n/t shira Mar 2013 #44

ahh guess you didnt read the article..... bowens43 Mar 2013 #29

I read the OP and this is what it says.... shira Mar 2013 #47

Similar article in the Jerusalem Post... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #23

This is not from a RW pro-Israeli source oberliner Mar 2013 #26

Excerpt from your article... shira Mar 2013 #32

The bus company is doing it, and it is segregation... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #106

Separate and NOT Equal TomClash Mar 2013 #27

Explain this from the Haaretz OP please... shira Mar 2013 #48

Read the article nt TomClash Mar 2013 #109

racist assholes, why the hell is the US still supporting these idiots? bowens43 Mar 2013 #28

I dunno. The bible, or something. Iggo Mar 2013 #30

Israel's new 'Palestinian only' segregated bus lines azurnoir Mar 2013 #35

This is the kind of crap that the GOP would love to implement in the USA. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #39

well you've got to understand it's not the Israeli governemt doing it azurnoir Mar 2013 #41

That's what the GOPigs love to do: privatize everything and then it R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #42

Background from B'tselem, published Nov 2012: Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #36

B'tselem must have missed this from the OP... shira Mar 2013 #45

They missed something? Yea, what do they know..would be worth your Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #51

On the bus to Israeli apartheid Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #37

"...closer to apartheid." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #40

yes Daneel Israeli Mar 2013 #107

Apartheid in Israel without Israeli Supreme Court Intervention? How? Why? shira Mar 2013 #111

The USSC made some wonderful blunders in its history, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #119

That question was for Israeli. I asked b/c the Israeli Supreme Court.... shira Mar 2013 #125

You missed the point. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #126

I know your point. You don't think Israel's most liberal zionists.... shira Mar 2013 #161

No, this was my point. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #164

I wish you would own up to your positions. n/t shira Mar 2013 #169

I hve done so, again and again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #173

From the Haaretz OP. Yet again... shira Mar 2013 #46

Uh huh. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #52

IOW, you have nothing. n/t shira Mar 2013 #55

It's all there, shira. Stating otherwise is silly of you. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #58

Israel launches segregated bus service Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #53

This OP and the garbage claim of segregation is a perfect example.... shira Mar 2013 #56

Correction, You and Rubin should work for B'Tselem...get right on it shira. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #57

So explain this Haaretz quote from the OP... shira Mar 2013 #59

It's already been explained and highlighted for you..what you refuse to acknowledge Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #60

Cherry picking yet again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #67

You're going off topic again. That has nothing to do with new buses and routes. shira Mar 2013 #73

It's from the article, Shia. It's not off topic no matter how much you want R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #76

pointing out the practice of 'separate and unequal' is Bashing Israel? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #66

Demonizing with silly gratuitous propaganda is Israel bashing. n/t shira Mar 2013 #77

No, shira, Jim Crow is alive and well in Israel and the practice should stop. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #80

Then try to explain how thousands of Arab settlers living in "Jewish" settlements.... shira Mar 2013 #84

Shira, you have done so much damage to your credibiity, and we have already had R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #87

Right. You've got nothing. Keep trying. n/t shira Mar 2013 #88

Shira, I have a two year old at home that I have to deal with. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #91

You don't get it. There's nothing Israel can do to impede 100's of thousands..... shira Mar 2013 #140

Do you remember this post of yours. It's post #11 that you were so proud of. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #142

You're confused b/c you think Israeli Palestinians are barred from Jewish settlements. shira Mar 2013 #144

"Like we Americans, we cannot cross the border into Canada w/o being stopped." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #147

"they...give up their identity to become an Arab?" Wow, you're confused! shira Mar 2013 #149

Well... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #152

So WRT this bus incident, the best you've got so far.... shira Mar 2013 #154

You always play that nonsense, "the best you've got so far...", then you shoot yourself in the foot. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #155

So you basically have nothing... shira Mar 2013 #156

Notice you've given up on the bus claims? I have.... shira Mar 2013 #157

Shira, your mendacity remains a beacon for all to see. A shining example of dishonesty. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #158

You have dropped the bus claims. And you were so, so sure it was apartheid.... shira Mar 2013 #162

Don't misrepresent the truth, Shira. it's unbecoming to do so. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #165

So explain very clearly this Jim Crow segregation/apartheid WRT the buses. shira Mar 2013 #168

It's been explained to death to you shira, and R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #172

No, the BS claims have been debunked & you have nothing now. shira Mar 2013 #175

Have a nice day. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #176

You too! I don't expect to see you bringing up that nonsense again. n/t shira Mar 2013 #179

Kick R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #180

New meaning for "the back of the bus". nc randr Mar 2013 #151

hatred CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #177

Here's the bottom line re. The Occupied Palestinian Territory: Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #178