Israel/Palestine

R. Daneel Olivaw

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66. pointing out the practice of 'separate and unequal' is Bashing Israel?

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Mon Mar 4, 2013, 08:50 PM

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Israel introduces 'Palestinian only' bus lines, following complaints from Jewish settlers [View all] The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP

These damn racist settlers again. Solindsey Mar 2013 #1

Now now, people will defend this here just like they would black's only buses here The Straight Story Mar 2013 #2

The bigots are wagging the finger, playing the victim, and ushering the Arabs to the back of the bus Solindsey Mar 2013 #4

Read #11 and comment on it. n/t shira Mar 2013 #14

No shit! 2naSalit Mar 2013 #102

Separate, but equal Tempest Mar 2013 #3

The new lines are not separate lines for Palestinians oberliner Mar 2013 #5

"not separate lines for Palestinians but rather two designated lines" Tempest Mar 2013 #6

didn't take long for someone to come out defending it... n/t delrem Mar 2013 #9

He's not assuming the worst like many here. See #11 below. n/t shira Mar 2013 #12

$10,000 says these buses are constantly stopped by the Israeli military Tempest Mar 2013 #7

the article is a bit confusing sabbat hunter Mar 2013 #8

The law would not allow this in the US Fumesucker Mar 2013 #10

See #11 about the law. n/t shira Mar 2013 #13

Some missing context.... shira Mar 2013 #11

I found a part that you didn't bold that sounds very Catch 22 to me. Fumesucker Mar 2013 #16

it will all be done on an informal basis shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #17

Talkback to TimesOfIsrael article... shira Mar 2013 #18

I grew up in a time and place where segregation was the norm Fumesucker Mar 2013 #19

The Haaretz article featured 2 ISM members.... shira Mar 2013 #20

what a load of bullshit shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #61

Claims of segregation are stilll stupid. And wiki says Afikim is owned... shira Mar 2013 #62

where does it say that? shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #63

You missed this from the OP (Haaretz) shira Mar 2013 #64

So you were bullshitting again? shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #65

I can't believe that one would try to sell this tactic as legitimate. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #69

Nope, here's a WIKI link. And the claims are still stupid as hell... shira Mar 2013 #71

If you're going to bullshit shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #98

The ministry JoDog Mar 2013 #112

God, you are shameless. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #68

What's shameless is the obvious hate speech, slander, and demonization.... shira Mar 2013 #74

You're a one trick pony, Shira. Give it up. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #78

Or this. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #33

Thousands of Israeli Arabs live in Jewish settlements. Is that Jim Crow? n/t shira Mar 2013 #82

Israeli Arabs? They're palestinians for God's sake! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #85

They're Palestinians living in settlements. How's that racist, apartheid, Jim Crow? n/t shira Mar 2013 #89

You just called them Israeli Arabs. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #92

They call themselves both, depending. Who am I to label? shira Mar 2013 #94

"Who am I to label?" You just did! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #96

Except she really did not. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #101

Hold on. Palestinians in the West Bank aren't Israeli Arabs... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #103

No they're not. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #118

Okay, but Israeli Arabs aren't the ones being segregated in this case... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #138

"Identity related terminology" R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #115

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #120

I don't pretend that Jim Crow doesn't exist in Israel when it R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #122

Israeli Arabs is an accepted, common term. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #99

I'm sure it is... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #114

Excuse me Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #117

"this is the first time anyone has ever insinuated that the term might in any way be racist." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #121

awwwe, poor baby. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #127

Oh, you're done with me? Good. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #130

Please try and refrain from putting words in others mouths. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #133

Strange. You wrote that you were done, yet keep on coming back. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #136

I am curious though... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #128

Oh, I thought that you were done with me, but yet you are back. Strange. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #132

And what about the word Arab is dehumanizing to you? Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #134

"I can almost see the tears streaming down your outraged, pouting face." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #137

Anyone who thinks 'Arab' is a derogatory, racist term..... shira Mar 2013 #159

Since you didn't read the previous post try again and just think about it for a while. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #166

I read it. I'm sorry this is so very embarassing for you, my friend. n/t shira Mar 2013 #167

Since you didn't read the previous post try again and just think about it for a while. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #171

This post was alerted on! The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand! ohiosmith Mar 2013 #123

Wait, you're joking, right? Recursion Mar 2013 #124

You see, this is the casual way of somebody saying that they are the smartest R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #129

Not at all. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #131

I'm not sure what you are arguing here now. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #135

You find 'Arab' to be a derogatory word? Seriously? Wow! n/t shira Mar 2013 #139

They're Palestinians, Shira, so why do you have the problem calling them that? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #141

In Israel, they call themselves either Israeli Arabs or Palestinians. shira Mar 2013 #143

Seeing how they were called Palestinians before the inception of Israel R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #145

Many call themselves Arab Israelis. You got a problem with that? shira Mar 2013 #146

Did they call themselves Palestinians before the inception of Israel, or perchance R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #148

The Jews of that area pre-1948 were also Palestinians, so? n/t shira Mar 2013 #150

So? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #153

Why don't you ask Israeli Arabs why they label themselves in such a derogatory way? n/t shira Mar 2013 #160

Why don't you ask Israelis why they started the practice? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #163

Huh? Israelis aren't responsible for how Israeli-Arabs label themselves. shira Mar 2013 #170

LOL! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #174

Good talk! n/t shira Mar 2013 #181

It's the responsibility of the Israeli govt to put a stop to bus companies engaging in segregation.. Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #15

There is no segregation happening. Find a real cause to battle. n/t shira Mar 2013 #21

Separating people by ethnicity and/or nationality IS segregation. Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #22

There's no policy change on the older bus routes. Any Palestinian can still ride.... shira Mar 2013 #31

To borrow a phrase from Violet, R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #38

Did you read this in the Haaretz article? shira Mar 2013 #43

There you go cherry picking again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #50

That's another issue altogether. The claim is these new buses = segregation. shira Mar 2013 #54

No, it's not. The practice of Jim Crow is alive and well, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #70

Not a very convincing argument. Seems all you can do is repeat propaganda.... shira Mar 2013 #72

It's in the article, Shira. You know...the one you keep on cherry picking from. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #75

What's there? Checkpoint policy at borders? Like crossing into Canada? shira Mar 2013 #79

I see you have come up with a new deflection. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #81

First error is you trust Machsom Watch. Second, unlike Canada.... shira Mar 2013 #83

Now that I have proven your disingenuous nature yet again R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #86

You're a legend in your own mind. Keep trucking! n/t shira Mar 2013 #90

Um... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #93

Do some research into Israel's Supreme Court.... shira Mar 2013 #95

We're done, Shira. Just go away. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #97

What's happening with those new routes is definitely segregation... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #104

"There is no segregation happening. Find a real cause to battle." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #34

I'm sure they did. And similar sentiments would have been expressed in South Africa as well n/t Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #105

Exactly. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #116

there is segregation happening shira Israeli Mar 2013 #24

Ofra Yeshua-Lyth is an interesting character oberliner Mar 2013 #25

Am I misreading this from the Haaretz OP.... shira Mar 2013 #49

yes she is a very interesting person Israeli Mar 2013 #100

thank you for your response oberliner Israeli Mar 2013 #108

I'll bite. shira Mar 2013 #110

Sorry I didn't see your message oberliner Mar 2013 #113

So a checkpoint b/w 2 nations is now segregation? n/t shira Mar 2013 #44

ahh guess you didnt read the article..... bowens43 Mar 2013 #29

I read the OP and this is what it says.... shira Mar 2013 #47

Similar article in the Jerusalem Post... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #23

This is not from a RW pro-Israeli source oberliner Mar 2013 #26

Excerpt from your article... shira Mar 2013 #32

The bus company is doing it, and it is segregation... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #106

Separate and NOT Equal TomClash Mar 2013 #27

Explain this from the Haaretz OP please... shira Mar 2013 #48

Read the article nt TomClash Mar 2013 #109

racist assholes, why the hell is the US still supporting these idiots? bowens43 Mar 2013 #28

I dunno. The bible, or something. Iggo Mar 2013 #30

Israel's new 'Palestinian only' segregated bus lines azurnoir Mar 2013 #35

This is the kind of crap that the GOP would love to implement in the USA. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #39

well you've got to understand it's not the Israeli governemt doing it azurnoir Mar 2013 #41

That's what the GOPigs love to do: privatize everything and then it R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #42

Background from B'tselem, published Nov 2012: Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #36

B'tselem must have missed this from the OP... shira Mar 2013 #45

They missed something? Yea, what do they know..would be worth your Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #51

On the bus to Israeli apartheid Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #37

"...closer to apartheid." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #40

yes Daneel Israeli Mar 2013 #107

Apartheid in Israel without Israeli Supreme Court Intervention? How? Why? shira Mar 2013 #111

The USSC made some wonderful blunders in its history, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #119

That question was for Israeli. I asked b/c the Israeli Supreme Court.... shira Mar 2013 #125

You missed the point. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #126

I know your point. You don't think Israel's most liberal zionists.... shira Mar 2013 #161

No, this was my point. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #164

I wish you would own up to your positions. n/t shira Mar 2013 #169

I hve done so, again and again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #173

From the Haaretz OP. Yet again... shira Mar 2013 #46

Uh huh. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #52

IOW, you have nothing. n/t shira Mar 2013 #55

It's all there, shira. Stating otherwise is silly of you. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #58

Israel launches segregated bus service Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #53

This OP and the garbage claim of segregation is a perfect example.... shira Mar 2013 #56

Correction, You and Rubin should work for B'Tselem...get right on it shira. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #57

So explain this Haaretz quote from the OP... shira Mar 2013 #59

It's already been explained and highlighted for you..what you refuse to acknowledge Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #60

Cherry picking yet again. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #67

You're going off topic again. That has nothing to do with new buses and routes. shira Mar 2013 #73

It's from the article, Shia. It's not off topic no matter how much you want R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #76

pointing out the practice of 'separate and unequal' is Bashing Israel? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #66

Demonizing with silly gratuitous propaganda is Israel bashing. n/t shira Mar 2013 #77

No, shira, Jim Crow is alive and well in Israel and the practice should stop. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #80

Then try to explain how thousands of Arab settlers living in "Jewish" settlements.... shira Mar 2013 #84

Shira, you have done so much damage to your credibiity, and we have already had R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #87

Right. You've got nothing. Keep trying. n/t shira Mar 2013 #88

Shira, I have a two year old at home that I have to deal with. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #91

You don't get it. There's nothing Israel can do to impede 100's of thousands..... shira Mar 2013 #140

Do you remember this post of yours. It's post #11 that you were so proud of. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #142

You're confused b/c you think Israeli Palestinians are barred from Jewish settlements. shira Mar 2013 #144

"Like we Americans, we cannot cross the border into Canada w/o being stopped." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #147

"they...give up their identity to become an Arab?" Wow, you're confused! shira Mar 2013 #149

Well... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #152

So WRT this bus incident, the best you've got so far.... shira Mar 2013 #154

You always play that nonsense, "the best you've got so far...", then you shoot yourself in the foot. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #155

So you basically have nothing... shira Mar 2013 #156

Notice you've given up on the bus claims? I have.... shira Mar 2013 #157

Shira, your mendacity remains a beacon for all to see. A shining example of dishonesty. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #158

You have dropped the bus claims. And you were so, so sure it was apartheid.... shira Mar 2013 #162

Don't misrepresent the truth, Shira. it's unbecoming to do so. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #165

So explain very clearly this Jim Crow segregation/apartheid WRT the buses. shira Mar 2013 #168

It's been explained to death to you shira, and R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #172

No, the BS claims have been debunked & you have nothing now. shira Mar 2013 #175

Have a nice day. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #176

You too! I don't expect to see you bringing up that nonsense again. n/t shira Mar 2013 #179

Kick R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #180

New meaning for "the back of the bus". nc randr Mar 2013 #151

hatred CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #177

Here's the bottom line re. The Occupied Palestinian Territory: Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #178