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In reply to the discussion: Israel, the un-apartheid state – a comparison with Australia [View all]shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)190. Bullshit
I've made my position quite clear. I was glad that Hezbollah kicked Israel out of Lebanon in the same way that I was glad that the Red Army kicked the Nazis out of Eastern Europe. That doesn't make me a supporter of Hezbollah or a communist, for that matter.
as the OP successfully argues
Ha ha. And I successfully argue that you eat dog shit for breakfast. You should stop trying to claim the point for yourself, it just makes you look incredibly lame.
And as to apartheid and racism, as the OP successfully argues it's Australia that is FAR worse to its indigenous than Israel.
I normally wouldnt bother with this hasbawanker bullshit, but lets go through and debunk the claims one by one:-
By contrast, only 1.3% of Australias current federal Parliament are from religious minorities (one Muslim and two Jews).
Only about 0.6% of Australians are Jews, meaning that Jews are in fact over-represented in parliament by a factor of about 40%. Muslims account for about 2% of the population, meaning that you would statistically expect there to be 2 or 3 Muslim MPs rather than one for parliament to be truly representative. Of course, the OP fudges a bit on the figures, including Arab Christians as minorities in Israel but not in Australia. There are a further two Australian MPs of Arab Christian heritage, including one (Joe Hockey) of Palestinian descent.
16% of Israelis are Arab, but only 10% of MKs are; therefore Arabs are substantially under-represented in the Israeli Knesset.
Judiciary: Israel has a judge from the Arab minority serving on its highest court (Salim Joubran). Sadly, Australia has not had a single High Court judge from a racial or religious minority for over 80 years, since Sir Issac Issacs! Military: Israel has three Druse generals currently (or recently) serving in its defence forces (Major-General Yusef Mishleb and brigadier-generals Imad Fares and Hasson Hasson). Disturbingly, it appears Australia has not had a single general from a religious or racial minority for over 80 years, since Sir John Monash! The legislature, judiciary and military are the key sources of hard power in any society and the success of racial and religious minorities reaching these corridors of power is a litmus test of the true openness and lack of racism in a society. Australias scorecard on this test compares very poorly to Israels.
Blatant cherry picking.
Sir Isaac Isaacs was the last Australian High court judge. However, Australia has had Jewish federal court judges since. Australia has also had two Jewish Governors-General (a position equivalent to the President of Israel), Sir Zelman Cowen being the most recent. Again, given that Jews only constitute a very small part of the population in Australia, this compares very well with Israel.
Salma Fiomy-Farij, a hijab-wearing Israeli Muslim Arab, came second in this years Israeli Master Chef (the winner was a German convert to Judaism).
In Australia Master Chef has not had a single winner from a religious or racial minority.
In Australia Master Chef has not had a single winner from a religious or racial minority.
Notice the sleight of hand there? I'll point it out for you:-
Salma Fiomy-Farij, a hijab-wearing Israeli Muslim Arab, came second in this years Israeli Master Chef (the winner was a German convert to Judaism).
In Australia Master Chef has not had a single winner from a religious or racial minority.
In Australia Master Chef has not had a single winner from a religious or racial minority.
Like Israel, Australia has certainly had Muslim finalists in its own Masterchef series. In fact, the third place-getter in this years series was an Arab Muslim:-
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BDS would continue its actions against Israel even if it left the West Bank completely
oberliner
Aug 2013
#2
Am I to understand that before "Israeli-Only" roads, before the separation barrier.....
shira
Aug 2013
#23
60% borders are temporary. You're pro-occupation, against the IDF getting out.....
shira
Aug 2013
#74
The comparison requires a shallow understanding of both Israel and Apartheid
WatermelonRat
Aug 2013
#16
Is this true or not? Does Israel wish to maintain a Jewish demographic majority?
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#38
That was my point however you seemed 'upset' with another poster pointing it out
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#84
quote "It's like someone pointing out that France wants to maintain a French majority"
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#106
I can not answer without knowing your parameters pertaining to who is French n/t
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#108
th problem is that the area where these different laws are being enforced is not Israel
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#32
so your redefining apartheid to include applications that dont get "fair treatment"
pelsar
Aug 2013
#90
The International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid
FarrenH
Aug 2013
#47
you still can't find a non-Palestinian that has been sentenced by a military court?
shaayecanaan
Aug 2013
#86
thank you for admitting that non-Jewish Arab citizens of Israel are subject to different laws
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#96
it is quite true that non-Jewish citizens of Israel are subject to different laws than
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#103
No pelsar the immigration laws alone are all that is needed to show discrimination
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#105
so your 've redefined apartheid as discrimination based "citizenship and nationalism"
pelsar
Aug 2013
#116
The thing is, Israeli, I just don't understand how supposed Democrats or Liberals,
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2013
#133
Most Dems and Liberals disagree with you. They must not be "real" Libs/Dems......
shira
Aug 2013
#144
Aloni is a politician. All politicians lie. Why do u worship a politician's every word?
shira
Aug 2013
#160
How dishonest can you get? So Israeli Arabs within settlements all around Jerusalem.....
shira
Sep 2013
#184
WHOOOOSH! That was the sound of Finkelstein's argument going totally over your head....
shira
Aug 2013
#147
Did you miss that you're not at all representative of most Libs/Dems on I/P? n/t
shira
Aug 2013
#149
So you did miss the first five minutes then...or ignored them outright. Pure Shira BS.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2013
#151
Well, now that you want to make this about Finkelstein....are you closer in opinion
shira
Aug 2013
#152
It again is about you and your hypocrisy, Shira. Again, major derp on your part.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2013
#153
Another evasion with nothing but smilies in response. Lemme know when you grow up. n/t
shira
Aug 2013
#154
I won't be able to communicate with you since you aren't trusted to be honest.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2013
#162