in which seabeyond wrote:
"maybe you are not a woman, maybe you have not experienced the aggressive attack on females the last decade from all sides. only to see us continually taking steps backward on being treated as viable, useful, respected members of society. and yet still...we continue with our voice, fighting time and again. explaining our position and why it is so very important, not only to us, but for you, and for our children, both genders.
and when we do speak up, we are continually hit with insults, attacks on our sexuality, patronized, condescended to, and told we don't have a thick enough skin.
yet still, we continued a reasoned conversation, hoping there will be a point of understanding."
Of this post by seabeyond, Neoma wrote:
"This is the type of behavior I will not tolerate, from a co-host or from anyone else. Nobody should post that someone is or isn't a man, or is or isn't black, or is or isn't white, or is or isn't a woman, or anything like that without some sort of proof. It's offensive to say that your opinions are invalid because you aren't a woman. It's highly inappropriate, especially for a co-host."
I think this is the exchange seabeyond is referring to. If it is not, sea, feel free to correct me.
For the record, I see nothing in the post Neoma targeted that makes me believe seabeyond's post is anti-male, promotes anti-male sexism, or dismisses the male perspective on women's issues as "invalid."
I read it as a post in which seabeyond was simply stating she believed that perhaps a poster could not fully understand the war on women because that poster (rrneck) had not been experiencing it in the same way. Seabeyond's post was polite and well reasoned. It was a criticism of the war on women not any individual poster, male or female, or men or women generally. Also, seabeyond was not questioning whether or not the poster was male or female, asking for "proof" of anyone's identity, slamming LGBTIQ posters or doing anything else offensive related to sex, gender or orientation. Sea was acknowledging that she didn't know anything about that poster or whether or not that person could experience what it is like to be a victim of misogyny in the same way seabeyond could. This is a far cry from saying a man's opinions aren't valid because he isn't a woman.
I really am trying to move beyond these disputes, but I felt I needed to make this post because of all the accusations tossed around in the last week, Neoma's inaccurate characterization of this post by seabeyond was the most outrageous.
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