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gejohnston

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19. I don't think the law was with Martin
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:21 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1)

But then, I'm skeptical of the media, especially when the use a picture of a 11 or 12 year old kid instead of a recent picture. Besides, when it comes to trial by media, the media is always wrong.
There is also his history of violence, which is why he was suspended from school. The evidence pointed to Martin ambushing Zimmerman as he described. I base that on the fighting technique he learned, and talked about it in his text messages, match what Zimmerman described. Martin also had a habit of decking bus drivers.
While Martin was a hot head, and probably made paranoid from "lean" usage. Like I said, based on watching the trial, Martin was the aggressor.
I do agree that Zimmerman getting out of the car instead of telling the operator "have the cops look for themselves" was a poor choice. I mean, if I'm stopped at a light and some guy circles my car a couple of times giving me "the look" before walking slowly between houses and looking in windows as Zimmerman claimed, my ass isn't getting out of any car. I'd call the cops and give them a description, but that is me. Of course, that is only his word, but there is nothing to contradict it, or at least the State didn't find any.
According to this, Virginia is SYG by common law, like Washington and California
http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/17/duty-to-retreat/

Out of the liberal legal blogs, Talk Left did the best coverage that I found and explained several things that would be lost on a nonlawyer like myself. The coverage matched what I saw.
http://www.talkleft.com/

Like I told Krispos, what might have happened, and what is proven are two different things. If the empirical evidence conflicts my earlier assumptions and/or the conventional wisdom of those who I share an ideology with (both being the case here), I have to accept the reality of the situation and deal with it. That's the way I'm wired.

so can we use SYG against sheriffs? they frequently threaten citizens with bodily harm nt msongs Aug 2013 #1
HellifIknow. e-mail them and ask. There's a "contact" button on the linked page. n/t shadowrider Aug 2013 #2
Are you insane? DonP Aug 2013 #35
Oh come now discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #36
There is a record of such an altercation discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #4
No, SYG against LEOs is specfically not allowed. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #50
Yay Law Enforcement! Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #3
What is your issue with SYG vs duty to retreat? gejohnston Aug 2013 #6
Zimmerman defender? Nuff said. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #8
I'm guessing you didn't watch the trial gejohnston Aug 2013 #9
How in God's name do you sleep at night? Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #10
I accept the reality of the situation, regardless of where the chips fall gejohnston Aug 2013 #11
Dear gejohnston: NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #13
crystal clear. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #51
Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself because he was the instigator krispos42 Aug 2013 #14
That isn't what the evidence showed gejohnston Aug 2013 #15
It's been reported that Zimmerman left his truck krispos42 Aug 2013 #16
True, sort of. gejohnston Aug 2013 #17
I, and the law was with Martin... virginia mountainman Aug 2013 #18
I don't think the law was with Martin gejohnston Aug 2013 #19
krispos spot on jimmy the one Aug 2013 #21
An aggravated assault that results in homicide... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #23
child abuse too jimmy the one Aug 2013 #25
Generally... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #30
they added the child abuse charges only because gejohnston Aug 2013 #32
sorry, compelely wrong gejohnston Aug 2013 #31
half first thot him guilty jimmy the one Aug 2013 #37
until they went through the evidence and the jury instructions gejohnston Aug 2013 #38
ultimately it boils down to this gejohnston Aug 2013 #39
Zimmerman... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #40
actually, it would be manslaugher gejohnston Aug 2013 #41
for me at least... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #42
If it were anyone but Angela Corey, I would agree gejohnston Aug 2013 #43
unfit, unsuitable, incapable... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #44
crime counting jimmy the one Aug 2013 #46
re: "Explain that..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #49
So you're saying you said something which wasn't true...deliberately? beevul Aug 2013 #47
And that 'opinion' is based on what law? COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #28
You do not have to be a Zimmerman supporter to understand the jury rendered the correct ..... spin Aug 2013 #52
possible gejohnston Aug 2013 #53
So, if you're anti-cop and anti-citizen self defense Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #20
I'm pro-cop when they're pre-screened and trained properly... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #22
Is there any municipality represented by this group where the cops AREN'T screened and trained? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #26
Apparently, there are many, since you hear of multiple, major cop fuckups every day... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #27
I'm aware of these travesties, which is why I support people being allowed to defend themselves Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #29
problem is, gejohnston Aug 2013 #33
Let's hear it for Florida! Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #5
and the other 30 SYG states? gejohnston Aug 2013 #7
90% all hispanics considered white jimmy the one Aug 2013 #45
wrong as usual. gejohnston Aug 2013 #48
As should everyone who cares about safety. ileus Aug 2013 #12
how many is unanimous? jimmy the one Aug 2013 #24
HellifIknow. Why don't you ask them. Click the "contact" button on the linked article. n/t shadowrider Aug 2013 #34
The article says "Florida Sheriffs" voted. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #54
The vote was 57-0. A few of the sheriffs were not in attendance. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #55
good job clarifying, but.... jimmy the one Aug 2013 #56
I was off by 10, you were off by 40. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #57
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