Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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36. Great, now define "gun violence"...

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:32 AM

Jan 2015

Great, now define "gun violence", as it is commonly used and understood in this debate.

Or are you prepared right here, and right now, to call legitimate defensive use of a firearm where a shooting is involved "gun violence" too?

Equivocation ("to call by the same name&quot is classified as an informal logical fallacy. It is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). It generally occurs with polysemic words (words with multiple meanings).

Albeit in common parlance it is used in a variety of contexts, when discussed as a fallacy equivocation only occurs when the arguer makes a word or phrase employed in two (or more) different senses in an argument appear to have the same meaning throughout.[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

People who choose disingenuously to engage in it have no business hosting a group on DU.

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Kentucky cop accidently shoots self in elevator [View all] Electric Monk Jan 2015 OP

and how does this meet the SOP? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #1

Discuss... the use of firearms... nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #2

I think you are reaching but it is up to the host Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #5

The cop, with the aid of a firearm, committed an act of violence against himself. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #7

if I tried that twisted logic over in your group Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #9

Most folks don't consider accidents to be "acts of violence". beevul Jan 2015 #32

Actually, I think most people would consider being shot in the stomach to be a pretty violent event Electric Monk Jan 2015 #33

Clearly you do. beevul Jan 2015 #34

vi·o·lence (n): destructive force or energy Electric Monk Jan 2015 #35

Great, now define "gun violence"... beevul Jan 2015 #36

Absolutely. Shooting someone while defending yourself is a violent act, by definition. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #37

Cute, but by your definition, being hit with a gun butt is "gun violence". beevul Jan 2015 #38

I think I'd more accurately call that "blunt object" violence, whether a gun butt or an ashtray. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #40

Would you. beevul Jan 2015 #41

Good night. I have to get up in the morning, but I will return. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #42

Nice that the great host in RKBA group allows it Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #44

Do you bemoan the fact that you can't troll-post how awesome it is to be male in the Feminism Groups Electric Monk Jan 2015 #45

Which of those blocks posters for correcting misinformation? N/T beevul Jan 2015 #46

All block posters who share their *opinions* that run contrary to the Group's SOP. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #47

Now you're just being cute. beevul Jan 2015 #48

GCRA is not unique in that. Both those other groups have blocked users for what was posted in GD. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #49

How... beevul Jan 2015 #58

When they started that group Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #51

Good catch. GGJohn Jan 2015 #53

what a croc Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #52

Yes, I'm consistent in my belief that the only reason you "pro-RKBA" advocates would want to post Electric Monk Jan 2015 #54

My last and, IIRC, only OP in GCRA... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #55

and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #56

Nope Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #50

Or, you've misread the 2nd Amendment. GGJohn Jan 2015 #39

IMHO this is a good thing we can discuss how make our daily lives safer. ileus Jan 2015 #27

very true statement Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #29

It's to be expected...they think they've presented some kind of "gotcha" BS. ileus Jan 2015 #30

Thus disarm everyone that isn't a cop........ kioa Jan 2015 #3

or, require gun manufacturers to have better safety mechanisms to prevent accidental discharges? Electric Monk Jan 2015 #4

never liked Glock type Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #6

Looks like a Smith & Wesson Shield. Skeeter Barnes Jan 2015 #11

Yes, and ... Straw Man Jan 2015 #24

What was the gun that discharged in this instance? What are it's safety features? kioa Jan 2015 #10

EM would like it carried Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #12

Please feel free to link to me saying anything of the sort. Thanks in advance. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #15

I did forget this Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #17

He's a police officer? SheilaT Jan 2015 #8

Rearranging stuff in your pockets when one of the things is a deadly weapon Warpy Jan 2015 #13

Yep a good holster Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #18

At the risk of repeating myself, SheilaT Jan 2015 #23

not enough Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #28

I always carry OWB... ileus Jan 2015 #26

He should lose his job. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #14

Good thing he wasn't handcuffed behind his back- he may have shot himself in the head NBachers Jan 2015 #16

I just did a quick google, and that's "happened" at least three times. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #20

"Officer down!" mindwalker_i Jan 2015 #19

Would this be the same sort of police employed to enforce gun control? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #21

Nah, that will be handled by robots :D Electric Monk Jan 2015 #22

Why did he remove his pistol from his pocket? Glock leg strikes again. ileus Jan 2015 #25

WTF? sarisataka Jan 2015 #31

'cop-type'guns--> accident prone, says nothing about 2nd-A issues quadrature Jan 2015 #43

Interestingly, back when cops used revolvers ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #57