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In reply to the discussion: Gun control for, "wealthy, white individuals who wish to be safe" Wow, just frickin' wow! [View all]Veganstein
(32 posts)46. I didn't cite Kleck and Gertz. I cited the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Last edited Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:04 PM - Edit history (1)
You're debunking a study I never quoted, and ignoring the one that I did.
Please, if you have any interest in carrying on an honest conversation, or even if you just really want to shut me up and make me look foolish, address the NCVS figure of 100,000 defensive gun uses, and provide evidence to support your claim that it's false, or acknowledge that it is true.
EDIT: This post came off sounding more confrontational than I wanted. You might have simply made an honest mistake, instead of intentionally misrepresenting what I said. If that's the case, I understand. We all make mistakes like that and I don't think anybody here would think the less of you for it.
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Gun control for, "wealthy, white individuals who wish to be safe" Wow, just frickin' wow! [View all]
DonP
Feb 2015
OP
I don't support the killing of humans unless they are trying to kill other humans.
Veganstein
Feb 2015
#16
Which shows that a tiny tiny minority of legal gun owners will ever kill someone
hack89
Feb 2015
#23
right...and 75% of the children dying of gunshot wounds....Live with them!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#266
Well you could argue guns were created for both killing animals and humans, but American humans
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#26
and sherrifs in the old west.....made gunslingers turn over their guns in town
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#270
but "unnecessary" (your word) harm to humans...you have no problem with THAT!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#14
and I gave you homicide and chilrens deaths from gunshot statistics from the CDC...SO????
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#32
There is no coherent response to those facts. It destroys their entire self defence foundation.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#77
Looks like your attempt to Lovejoy the conversation isn't going too well...
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2015
#33
No bad taste here....I was the one that said it....I think I know what I said and meant...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#42
the subject remains the same as when I started....YOU changed the subject my friend
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#106
Alcohol kills 4300 underaged drinkers every year. That's 3.75 Sandy Hooks a week.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#113
How little YOU are willing to face facts....Sensible Gun control is coming....just like Winter is on
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#71
what other alternative is there? Sensible gun control IS coming....take it to the bank!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#74
People like you and me need a time machine, if we had one and it worked
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#81
It is not odd if you take leave of all common sense and logic and facts. Then it sounds dandy.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#88
Funny....people in other countries are not as afraid for their defense as some gun toting Americans
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#112
Gun safety education could lower those numbers,with essentially no resistance from the pro-gun side.
beevul
Feb 2015
#151
I guess firearms safety training isn't as important to you as you led us to believe.
beevul
Feb 2015
#160
It SHOULD be important enough for you to own them....that YOU pay for it!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#162
so it wasn't about 20 yr olds dying in their homes...it was about those under 14...try not to be
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#182
Lets check the executive summary of the document and where they got data...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#150
a vegan gungeoneer IS hypocrisy....he said himself he was concerned about
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#141
yeah says me....I already paid for YOUR kids education...I have no children
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#167
Love to, but unreasonable absolutist gun control zealots oppose universal gun safety training.
beevul
Feb 2015
#172
Yeah I do....and I just posted two different polls....that show the opposite of what Pew said...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#179
Everyone that actively posts on DU including this group, believe in some sort of gun control.
beevul
Feb 2015
#284
and a 3 yr old.....is that old enough for you to be comfortable with it?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#191
No it isn't....lived my entire life....even as a female...without one!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#207
and if people want a Sawwed off shotgun...or a rocket fired grenade launcher...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#239
Have you ever met a gun owner that admitted they weren't "responsible"
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#252
Have you ever met a "reasonable" gun control proponent that admitted they weren't reasonable?
beevul
Feb 2015
#254
"Just wanting something" is not a good enough reason to own something that DESTROYS LIFE!"
beevul
Feb 2015
#247
Bullshit. This is not a safe haven Group for gun lovers only. You only wish it were. nt
Electric Monk
Feb 2015
#229
You're wrong again. Here's the GC &RKBA SOP that VanillaRhapsody was *not* violating.
Electric Monk
Feb 2015
#236
How many posts would you like me to link to where no attempt at discussion was made eh?
beevul
Feb 2015
#238
No....but a person who IS a V.E.G.A.N. and concerned with the "unnecessary" killing of animals
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#170
Awww did I hurt your feelings....did you have to hold your weapon closer to your heart when I said
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#257
and VEGANS do care what OTHER people are doing....they don't even use animal products!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#250
None of which contradicts, or even touches on, anything I said in the post you responded to. N/T
beevul
Feb 2015
#260
Just like he said....he is a vegan concerned about "the unnecessary killing of animals"
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#142
Remember, you're dealing with a poster that opposes universal gun safety training.
beevul
Feb 2015
#178
Then why are you arguing with the one person in this thread that DOES support
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#297
No it isn't that means ones not already bombed into the StoneAge by wars etc.
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#290
They insist they are true liberals, but there is no evidence of it. Who else requires no evidence?
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#75