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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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20. Individually...
Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:45 AM
Aug 2022

Pistol and forward grips make a rifle easier to control which makes the weapon safer. One of the key gun safety rules is to never point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy. Better control will enhance your ability to avoid negligently shooting yourself or another person.

Concealability is a concern specifically because many states have different requirements for handguns versus long guns. I have no issue with establishing a minimum overall length for a rifle. The ATF has already established special rules for short barreled rifles (SBR). The minimum is around 18 inches. SBR permit investigations IIRC take 6-9 months rather than the current 3 day max for a standard rifle. Please see #5 for more info: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172212301#post5 However, being concealable does make the gun more deadly. I wouldn't recommend an AR for home defense but, because of the versatility of that platform, I recognize that some do. An adaptable stock may be very useful in that scenario.

Also see #5 regarding the grenade launcher. Previous AWBs have included as a qualifier 'the ability to accept the attachment of a grenade launcher' or some such language. Actual grenade launchers do require ATF investigation and approval beyond that of the regular background check as do any grenades. I certainly agree that grenades are deadlier than rifle rounds.

Preventing someone from accidentally burning a hand doesn't make the rifle more or less deadly. The chance of burning your hand makes it less safe.

A suppressor (silencer) would reduce the sound of a gunshot to about the volume of a chainsaw a few feet away, far from an undetectable level. Suppressors are still ATF restricted and not generally available.

The overall point of HR 1808 is ban guns that look like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_XM-15
The thing to be aware of is that this law doesn't affect this gun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Mini-14
Keep in mind is that both of these accept the same ammo, fire at the same rate and will produce identical wounds.

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I would really like to understand [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 OP
Seriously? thucythucy Aug 2022 #1
First off, thank you for the reply and having a serious discussion. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #5
Thank you for explaining thucythucy Aug 2022 #6
Thanks again so much discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #8
A couple of thoughts.. quickesst Aug 2022 #2
re: "...at least some of them are able to be altered easily into a fully automatic machine gun." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #10
I admit.. quickesst Aug 2022 #19
re: "...older, used AR-15 type weapons..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #21
Yeah.. quickesst Aug 2022 #23
You forgot your sarcasm thingie Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #3
I'm sure you can find one if you need one. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #11
I'm not the one that needs it Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #13
And I'm not one of those who believes in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #14
It's been damn near 30 years since the first AWB passed DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2022 #4
Well, really, almost any semi-auto with a detachable magazine The Mouth Aug 2022 #12
re: "Is it too much to ask..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #15
Careful there, DIS... if you call something that is stupid "stupid"... krispos42 Aug 2022 #7
Thanks but I don't use the "s" word. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #16
I read the the cosmetics are not relevant to lethality, Ban the cosmetics (false advertising) sanatanadharma Aug 2022 #9
Certain advertising restrictions might be not only acceptable but useful. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #17
Seems simple enough. Eko Aug 2022 #18
Individually... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #20
Ok, Eko Aug 2022 #22
Point by point discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #24
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