Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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40. An opinion only

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:34 PM

Jul 2012

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In his dissent in the Heller decision, Justice Stevens (and the other three dissenters in agreement) names the militia clause as meaningful but does not hold membership in an organized militia as a requirement for firearm ownership. The 'individual right' interpretation was unanimous.

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What is reasonable gun control... [View all] sarisataka Jul 2012 OP

an absolute total ban on all guns, shotguns, rifles, ak's etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #1

It's been tried Shilka-Gunluvr Jul 2012 #5

What specifically has been tried. oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #125

there are other issues that are affected thomasprescottjr Aug 2012 #132

You just love the sound of your own voice, don't you? PavePusher Jul 2012 #16

You shouldn't mock the Anti-gun-nuts like that. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #83

problem with gun control thomasprescottjr Aug 2012 #131

What I read sounds good... tortoise1956 Jul 2012 #2

Some good ideas in there. safeinOhio Jul 2012 #3

Funny, gun owners are always being accused of being unable to compromise. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #12

a good start of what? gejohnston Jul 2012 #36

The only reasonable answer is a total ban. ileus Jul 2012 #4

Just a thought... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #24

The impossible is not exactly reasonable pscot Jul 2012 #26

I agree. I gave up my guns and bought 15 cases of vienna sausages shadowrider Jul 2012 #51

Let me think about that one. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #6

Who was it... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #11

Great, now that song is stuck in my head. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #13

If you wanna get down, discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #14

Ok... sarisataka Jul 2012 #19

Maybe a bit of piano for a change... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #21

In my best Daffy Duck voice- sarisataka Jul 2012 #29

As me Irish mother would say, 'Aye and proud of it, I am.' n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #35

As my German/Irish mother would say...... Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #49

Shades of Zevon! tortoise1956 Jul 2012 #86

If "Excitable Boy" is to your taste... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #88

You take sally, I'll take sue there ain't no difference between the 2 cocaine Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #65

I have a mansion forget the price. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #67

I've seen the needle and the damage done Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #68

Whiskey bottles and brand new cars, discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #71

Lalala not listening sarisataka Jul 2012 #72

Turn that up. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #74

I was gonna clean my room until I got high Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #78

Any set of new laws should have a sunset provision somewhere... OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #7

our gun laws are not particularly responsible for the ever decreasing levels of violence alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #96

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Logic? bongbong Jul 2012 #102

I agree. I still wouldn't assume that gun laws have *no* effect on current trends. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #103

Logic Pt 2 bongbong Jul 2012 #104

Um... but crime trends ARE moving in a favorable direction. Nearing 1950's lows. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #105

Clues bongbong Jul 2012 #107

Blood running the streets, conflating "civilized" with "gun control"... there's our beloved bongbong OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #108

Numbers bongbong Jul 2012 #112

who cares about gun violence? alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #109

Talking Points bongbong Jul 2012 #111

Guess who is not a member of the NRA? alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #120

: ) do it. rDigital Aug 2012 #122

They claim not to be partisan… alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #123

You're right about rDigital Aug 2012 #124

Did you ever imagine... alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #121

Would you then agree sarisataka Jul 2012 #115

TL, DR slackmaster Jul 2012 #8

Just a little more 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9

What about currently owned firearms and ammo? michreject Jul 2012 #10

I had not considered reloading sarisataka Jul 2012 #20

Interesting food for thought krispos42 Jul 2012 #15

Yes that was a typo sarisataka Jul 2012 #17

Let's not forget... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #22

I do like the idea of using fees to fund programs Cary Jul 2012 #18

glassy eyed gun nut cultists going around telling everyone that they can't think about this issue gejohnston Jul 2012 #25

re: "You can say all you want, no matter how absurd or uninformed." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #31

And also shut up the anti-gun-freaks who pose as neutral aikoaiko Jul 2012 #84

Excellent start to a great conversation! ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #23

Oops, oversight sarisataka Jul 2012 #39

for the same reason someone would want a .45-70 revolver? Or a gejohnston Jul 2012 #43

Not me sarisataka Jul 2012 #46

Are you shitting me? tortoise1956 Jul 2012 #87

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That's an interesting... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #28

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Please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #32

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An opinion only discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #40

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Also... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #38

They probably didn't forsee Missycim Jul 2012 #82

Thank you for posting. You make the NRAs gun law positions look sane aikoaiko Jul 2012 #85

It's "obvious" only to those who claim to commune with the dead Marengo Jul 2012 #90

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But not with the founders? Why not? Marengo Jul 2012 #94

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Misinterpreting in what way? Marengo Aug 2012 #118

You do realize the 2 A sarisataka Jul 2012 #34

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I would see the FF view differently sarisataka Jul 2012 #42

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that was gejohnston Jul 2012 #45

Actually, Jenoch Jul 2012 #50

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The militias were the Jenoch Aug 2012 #119

The sides were reversed sarisataka Jul 2012 #52

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I'll try again sarisataka Jul 2012 #57

You are writing something that is not consistent with the law. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #76

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So get the second amendment changed. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #93

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You don't know anything about me. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #101

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I believe in lots of rights I don't exercise. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #110

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No, it isn't. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #116

1775: New York Colony Rules for Regulating the Militia oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #126

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My children can defend themselves thank you. They all carry and they're all female n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #63

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Yes they should bluemntceltic Jul 2012 #117

No real problems except intent dmallind Jul 2012 #48

You cannot define reasonable restrictions without agreeing on the purpose of the second amendment Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #55

Would not the FOID sarisataka Jul 2012 #58

A very difficult to trace registration. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #62

And after we jump through all these hoops, another mass murderer will legally buy his guns. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #56

That is unfortunately true sarisataka Jul 2012 #59

You have overly complicated things but the concepts are certainly worth discussing ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #60

A euphemism for the next increment of civil rights to be taken away - nt badtoworse Jul 2012 #61

I don't know what reasonable gun control is but i know it ain't that NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #66

Where would this one fall? Clames Jul 2012 #69

Section 1b. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #70

Damn you bubba'd that gun man NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #79

If it was mine... Clames Jul 2012 #80

in theory it is a slippery slope. In practice, I think we have achieved a delicate balance. If the Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #73

Just a few nitpicks. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #75

i don't understand the need for anything that is 'instant'. the requirements should be to be samsingh Jul 2012 #77

The instant check is a necessary compromise. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #95

Reasonable gun control is... using two hands. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #81

Reasonable gun control is using two hands AND putting 6 out of 10 in the bullseye shadowrider Jul 2012 #89

How good is your Grammar? oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #127

Did you reply to the wrong post? shadowrider Aug 2012 #129

Maybe oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #130

too many rules. way too many rules. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #98

Nope. ErikO Jul 2012 #113

Observation oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #128