Religion

uriel1972

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90. Ideals can go jump in the lake...

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 07:57 AM

Jan 2014

Ideals lead to mass slaughter in the name of perfection. Time and time again the "Ideal" is used to justify the worst atrocities seen in humanity. So hearty FU to ideals and the "Ideal".

As you may have guessed, I am a pragmatist. I focus on what works to make people healthier and happier. It is the idealist who believes the end justifies the means, not I.

Back on track, I tolerate people, barely in some cases, not their religion or other system of idealist thoughts. You can believe what you want, but when your belief makes you act like a fool and hurt someone, I reserve the right to deal with you in an appropriate matter.

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Agree or disagree - Religious Tolerance is an worthwhile individual value [View all] el_bryanto Jan 2014 OP

It's a worthwhile cultural and social value, too. okasha Jan 2014 #1

I think it's more than just worthwhile. I think it's critical. cbayer Jan 2014 #2

I know a number of good/liberal democrats who are also people of faith Gothmog Jan 2014 #102

I grew up surrounded by it and have an abiding respect for people of faith cbayer Jan 2014 #103

I did some searching Gothmog Jan 2014 #104

Did you convert because of a relationship or because it spoke to you? cbayer Jan 2014 #105

Because it spoke to me Gothmog Jan 2014 #106

That's wonderful. cbayer Jan 2014 #107

we should not tolerate the belief in invisible magical Omnipotent beings. bowens43 Jan 2014 #3

Discourage it? cbayer Jan 2014 #5

Best way to create an atheist xfundy Jan 2014 #8

Do you have any evidence, other than anecdotal, to support that premise. cbayer Jan 2014 #10

If you think you're allowed to make them, trotsky Jan 2014 #36

I think tolerance is a value to be supported in all our interactions. pinto Jan 2014 #4

Tolerance of the Hindu next door and the Methodist across the street Warpy Jan 2014 #6

I think in that case are talking more about political tolerance el_bryanto Jan 2014 #12

Lots of people think that. trotsky Jan 2014 #21

I am sorry for my lack of clarity el_bryanto Jan 2014 #23

The law limits peyote use okasha Jan 2014 #28

I respect religion until it tries to step on my right to live my life. xfundy Jan 2014 #7

tolerance of people edhopper Jan 2014 #9

Define "religious tolerance" skepticscott Jan 2014 #11

It looks like your knickers are already in a wad from a single question. rug Jan 2014 #13

. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #17

I suppose i mean social tolerance and mutual respect el_bryanto Jan 2014 #14

Some beliefs edhopper Jan 2014 #15

And you feel it best not to be tolerant of those beliefs? nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #16

yes edhopper Jan 2014 #18

And how exactly do you propose to not tolerate those people? rug Jan 2014 #33

I was responding to each post edhopper Jan 2014 #41

But you did say something abount not tolerating people. rug Jan 2014 #49

There are certainly people I don't tolerate because of their behavior edhopper Jan 2014 #54

And again, how exactly do you not tolerate those people? rug Jan 2014 #55

I am lost edhopper Jan 2014 #57

How do you not tolerate people at a pro-life march? rug Jan 2014 #58

Did I say I don't tolerate them. edhopper Jan 2014 #62

Yes. rug Jan 2014 #64

I guess where back to edhopper Jan 2014 #69

Those beliefs Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #77

Those, no, you are right. edhopper Jan 2014 #78

I probably do as well Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #93

Depends, edhopper Jan 2014 #95

I hear you. Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #96

I don't have friends like that edhopper Jan 2014 #97

Why? rug Jan 2014 #31

Because they are ridiculous edhopper Jan 2014 #42

And what exactly do you gain from that? rug Jan 2014 #48

Mocking? edhopper Jan 2014 #52

I know Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart I would like to be a friend of mine. rug Jan 2014 #53

That's not a definition skepticscott Jan 2014 #19

Dictionary definition? el_bryanto Jan 2014 #20

As edhopper noted above, trotsky Jan 2014 #22

Part of me wants to ask why you are asking this question - el_bryanto Jan 2014 #26

I'm asked the question because your OP is meaningless. trotsky Jan 2014 #27

I asked a question; if you don't like the discussion that ensues el_bryanto Jan 2014 #29

Congratulations, that is exactly the point. trotsky Jan 2014 #30

How narrow are the boundaries of your tolerance though? el_bryanto Jan 2014 #32

Who knows? trotsky Jan 2014 #35

It only gets tricky if you assume that I am suggesting that Religious Tolerance el_bryanto Jan 2014 #44

Then your poll is meaningless. trotsky Jan 2014 #65

What religious beliefs do you tolerate? rug Jan 2014 #34

lol. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #37

Well the OP amended his post edhopper Jan 2014 #43

Thank you, trotsky. rug Jan 2014 #47

So you only want an answer from him? edhopper Jan 2014 #50

Yeah, he made a vers specific comment about what he will or will not tolerate. rug Jan 2014 #51

Perhaps? You "suppose"? skepticscott Jan 2014 #24

I've answered the question twice now el_bryanto Jan 2014 #25

No, you replied twice skepticscott Jan 2014 #83

I don't anticipate having a productive discussion with you at all. el_bryanto Jan 2014 #86

Then my answer to your poll question is no. gcomeau Jan 2014 #71

Might I ask how you feel about religious satire in literature? LostOne4Ever Jan 2014 #89

Great post. trotsky Jan 2014 #94

I am a rather tolerant person. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #38

Tolerance and civility, like so many things, start at home. We can all be role models. pinto Jan 2014 #39

I was going to push agree. Inkfreak Jan 2014 #40

I put 'somewhat agree'... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #45

Are religious rights not human rights? cbayer Jan 2014 #46

An example... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #66

Good examples. cbayer Jan 2014 #68

only to the same extent that other forms of mental illness are "tolerated...." mike_c Jan 2014 #56

Are you seriously calling the religious mentally ill? cbayer Jan 2014 #59

read my sig line.... mike_c Jan 2014 #60

That's an opinion, but it has no basis in fact. cbayer Jan 2014 #63

2 questions el_bryanto Jan 2014 #61

those are interesting questions.... mike_c Jan 2014 #72

I think you might be misunderstanding my situation el_bryanto Jan 2014 #74

are you familiar with Garrett Hardin's "The Tragedy of the Commons?" mike_c Jan 2014 #75

The Commons argument is an interesting one, but I don't believe it works el_bryanto Jan 2014 #76

I think there is a danger in treating a belief system, with which one disagrees, as mental illness LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #67

perhaps you misunderstand me.... mike_c Jan 2014 #73

Agree but... Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #70

I don't respect beliefs, nor do I tolerate them, I respect the rights of people to their beliefs... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #79

And when you call someone a bigot as an expression of your "belief", that's ok? cbayer Jan 2014 #80

No, do you think us "anti-theists" are hypocrites by definition? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #81

You accused me of being bigoted against atheists. I asked you what you based that on, cbayer Jan 2014 #82

They demand that we respect their beliefs, which is just stupid... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #84

Who demands that? cbayer Jan 2014 #85

So you support making gay marriage illegal? skepticscott Jan 2014 #101

I tolerate someone... rexcat Jan 2014 #87

Religious tolerance? Pffft. Evoman Jan 2014 #88

Ideals can go jump in the lake... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #90

That's aprincipled statement. rug Jan 2014 #91

Principles and standards are of great importance... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #92

Why should people have to tolerate stupid beliefs? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #98

People will believe what they believe... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #99

I can see where you are coming from. Very direct response. nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #100