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Notafraidtoo

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25. Human psychology can be complex.

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Sat Nov 29, 2014, 03:21 AM

Nov 2014

Cognitive dissonance, childhood indoctrination and instinctive fear can prevent intelligent people from self examining religious beliefs while being curious and intellectual about everything else. The reason religion often means low intellect is the lack of respect for the scientific method, the scientific method is the best way to discover the facts and truths in any field,all important fields from medicine, technology,history,education,economics use a lot of science, to deny its credibility automatically puts you at a disadvantage when intelligence matters.

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Is there a correlation between intelligence and religiosity? [View all] Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 OP

Well I only have three active brain cells so you shouldn't judge by me. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #1

happy thanksgiving! Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #6

You too and have a great weekend! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #10

He's a pleasant fellow, isn't he? rug Nov 2014 #14

. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #21

I had three brain cells mindwalker_i Nov 2014 #22

Good response! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #23

Thank you mindwalker_i Nov 2014 #24

Atheists are a self-selected group. The metrics aren't comparable. rug Nov 2014 #2

Uh huh. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #3

You realize that's a meta-analysis? rug Nov 2014 #5

Conformists are a self-selected group too. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #7

Confformity is the default human behavior. rug Nov 2014 #11

I disagree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #13

If that were true, the prisons would be empty. rug Nov 2014 #15

I said 'can be'. Not an absolute. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #20

There aren't many in prisons, relative to those who are not Brettongarcia Dec 2014 #89

Conformity is self-selected to the extent that respondents declare it in questionaires Brettongarcia Dec 2014 #90

(PSsst: Believers are a 'self selected' group too) AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #4

Psssst . . . . rug Nov 2014 #9

Unknown. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #12

I did. rug Nov 2014 #16

I know, it's super inconvenient to conform. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #19

What does that have to do with self-selection? bvf Nov 2014 #27

Because deconversion is a process of selection, self-selection. rug Nov 2014 #42

That's a lot of words bvf Nov 2014 #45

They do. rug Nov 2014 #46

so what's your point? Lordquinton Nov 2014 #47

I'll repeat it for you. rug Nov 2014 #50

you have a large flaw in your analysis Lordquinton Nov 2014 #52

Not really. rug Nov 2014 #54

Hmm. bvf Nov 2014 #58

Google Richard Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen, Wiiliam Shockley, and E.O. Wilson. rug Nov 2014 #59

So you haven't any data. bvf Nov 2014 #60

The data is all over the place. rug Nov 2014 #61

Yet you can't bring yourself to provide any here. bvf Nov 2014 #62

I'm torn between watching the Grumpy Cat movie on Lifetime and this thread. rug Nov 2014 #63

Deflect, deflect, deflect. bvf Nov 2014 #64

His objection is highly flawed. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #66

Perhaps an explanation will be forthcoming. bvf Nov 2014 #68

You assume all atheiests deconverted. I didn't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #65

It's not about you. rug Nov 2014 #73

Source? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #86

The source is baded on the data showing that theists are by far the majority. rug Dec 2014 #94

Dad was an atheist. rogerashton Nov 2014 #53

It's pretty well accepted that those family histories have historically been a rarity. rug Nov 2014 #55

perhaps a negative correlation. Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #8

I believe that the more fundamental you are, the less likely you are to look at other roguevalley Nov 2014 #17

Or, more likely... Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #18

Human psychology can be complex. Notafraidtoo Nov 2014 #25

Excellent answer. Warpy Nov 2014 #26

Do you have any suggestions bvf Nov 2014 #28

When I read "religiosity among American Protestants" Trillo Nov 2014 #29

Oh, the Catholics hate the Protestants bvf Nov 2014 #30

Yeah, I know. Trillo Nov 2014 #49

I'm grasping at meaning there but coming up with nothing. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #39

So now we are ranking countries by intelligence? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #31

This has been objectively documented: the average IQ in 100 countries was fairly easy to discover. Brettongarcia Dec 2014 #91

Which countries are the smartest, and which countries are the stupidest? stone space Oct 2016 #99

Do you have a list of smart countries vs stupid countries? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #32

Richard Lynn stone space Nov 2014 #33

Fair objection to question the impartiality of that particular study. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #67

Professor Miron Zuckerman's study was paragraph one of my excerpt in the op. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #70

Here's Richard Lynn's SPLC page: stone space Nov 2014 #34

asdf stone space Nov 2014 #35

Geez, he's a sociobiologist. rug Nov 2014 #43

That makes it all sciencey and stuff. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #93

I prefer my atheism with a dash of skepticism, please. stone space Nov 2014 #36

And what would your "skepticism" tell you skepticscott Nov 2014 #41

My skepticism tells me that when one group of people... stone space Dec 2014 #97

Well, if you see any group doing that skepticscott Dec 2014 #98

I'd think that a militant atheist such as your self would be all about this study Lordquinton Nov 2014 #48

Perhaps your stereotypes of militant atheists need adjusting. stone space Nov 2014 #71

Perhaps you are using the word incorrectly. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #74

Somebody tried pretty darn hard to get this post hidden. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #77

the only explanation is SATAN! Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #82

this word you keep using Lordquinton Nov 2014 #78

You assume that all atheists have an intellectual inferiority complex. stone space Dec 2014 #87

You keep claiming you are a militant atheist Lordquinton Dec 2014 #95

Again, more stereotypes. And dangerous stereotypes for militants. stone space Dec 2014 #96

well I for one agree, I am totally on board with being skeptical about your atheism. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #76

Duh, Believing in Imaganary Beings correlates with a low IQ? dballance Nov 2014 #37

Ah, so this is the map that determines how smart we are. stone space Nov 2014 #38

Given the quantity of your responses to this thread, this must have hit a nerve. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #40

If your definition of atheist is money, without doubt Leontius Nov 2014 #51

Maybe Dawkins should redirect his efforts goldent Dec 2014 #88

The premiss that edhopper Nov 2014 #44

Which is pretty much what rug said. okasha Nov 2014 #57

Again, I posted simply about the available evidence that there is a correlation Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #69

There might well be edhopper Nov 2014 #72

The Zuckerman meta-analysis did control for other factors muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #84

I was talking about cross country measurements of intelligence. edhopper Nov 2014 #85

Garbage In Garbage Out struggle4progress Nov 2014 #56

lol Bradical79 Oct 2016 #101

I think we need a breakdown per religion and per demonination goldent Nov 2014 #75

Only among US Protestants, according to your source carolinayellowdog Nov 2014 #79

There are several studies referenced. The one you are referring to is the meta study Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #83

Alternative hypothesis: more Protestants are smart enough to leave religion entirely Brettongarcia Dec 2014 #92

At least the correlation between intelligence and flamebait has been established. rug Nov 2014 #80

True that. okasha Nov 2014 #81

There are reasons to believe that would be the case, but it is complicated Bradical79 Oct 2016 #100