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kwassa

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27. well, I agree with you, and cbayer probably does, too.

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:53 PM

Mar 2015

YOU CANNOT JUDGE THE WORTH OR QUALITY OF SOMEONE'S LIFE, THE HAPPINESS THEY FELT OR THE SUFFERING THEY CAUSED OTHERS BASED ON THE MANNER OF THEIR DEATH, THE AMOUNT OF SUFFERING BEFORE DEATH, OR THE MASS OR ABSENCE OF PEOPLE AT THEIR BEDSIDE AT THE TIME OF DEATH.

It is our job, I think, to treat all the dying with compassion. My wife just spent the evening sitting with a friend in the final stages of cancer.

I don't think anything about cbayer's statement is about judgment. Or about the number of people at the bedside. It is about a general principle in life.

As I see it, in a general way, if you treat people with love, love comes back to you. Of course this isn't always true, but it is true much of the time. If you treat people with hate, that, too, will be returned. This is what the concept of karma is about, at least the western understanding of the concept.

My father led a very healthy life, was slim and active, and still died a long, painful death from prostate cancer that spread into his bones. That is not karma.

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Karma: a poll [View all] steve2470 Mar 2015 OP

I don't believe in 2naSalit Mar 2015 #1

"In this world nothing happens to a person that he does not for some reason or other deserve." * Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #2

Believe it AC_Mem Mar 2015 #3

"I want to believe." femmocrat Mar 2015 #4

I tend to think Cheney is probably an intensely miserable human being. cbayer Mar 2015 #6

He's a sociopath. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #37

Good points. It's hard to imagine not caring how others feel towards you, cbayer Mar 2015 #59

I agree that he presents as a sociopath guillaumeb Mar 2015 #79

I'd call it a health problem and a coincidence. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #91

Certainly a sociopath - as regards 'nearly killed by his own body'... LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #110

I agree with you on this. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #118

I bet he'd laugh in your face. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #49

I believe it in the metaphorical kind of way. cbayer Mar 2015 #5

Tell me what a 2 year old with burns on 90% of their body did to receive that? Heddi Mar 2015 #7

This ^ (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2015 #43

I have parking karma that goes with me even when I'm a passenger, not the driver. SheilaT Mar 2015 #30

Lucky you! cbayer Mar 2015 #58

How cool is it that you are such an awesome person that you are rewarded with choice parking spots? trotsky Mar 2015 #60

I've been able to drive into parking garages that have a FULL sign, SheilaT Mar 2015 #105

I love your system and can see how it would be lots of fun. cbayer Mar 2015 #112

I believe it all works out in the end. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #8

But reality shows that not to be the case.... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #25

I didn't say the bible, I said I believe. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #29

So you don't follow what's in the bible? truebrit71 Mar 2015 #56

I am guided by the bible but my faith is more than the bible. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #63

"three legged stool of faith. Scripture, tradition, and human reason" Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #67

I don't get your issue. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #68

Warren apparently has issues okasha Mar 2015 #74

lol. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #75

You have no clue what 'faith' means. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #124

faith is the stool guillaumeb Mar 2015 #78

Ah faith is stool. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #83

supportive like a stool? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #84

To be avoided, like stool. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #86

re-read my second line guillaumeb Mar 2015 #87

Sorry, you don't get to claim human reason as an element of faith. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #123

Thanks, I'm glad to hear that. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #38

yes I take the long-term view also steve2470 Mar 2015 #41

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #57

Karma is one of those ideas so superficially reassuring people flock to embrace it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #9

Does it necessarily mean that everyone gets what is coming to them? cbayer Mar 2015 #10

How fucking callous of you. You have the bedside manner of a ghoul Heddi Mar 2015 #14

Karma is a tendency, not a law. kwassa Mar 2015 #17

I have no problem with my bedside manner Heddi Mar 2015 #19

I think you are wildly misinterpreting what she said. kwassa Mar 2015 #22

but how do you know they're good people? Heddi Mar 2015 #23

well, I agree with you, and cbayer probably does, too. kwassa Mar 2015 #27

but it is a judgement though Heddi Mar 2015 #34

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #16

Is there a translation for your post? kwassa Mar 2015 #18

Then ýou need to work on your comprehension skills... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #26

so, you don't have the translation .... kwassa Mar 2015 #31

Looks like plain english to me. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #46

It certainly appears that the jury had no comprehension problems. okasha Mar 2015 #99

I wouldn't hang my hat on the comprehension skills of most DU juries... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #103

Or did it? AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #109

Sorry kwassock... didn't realize this was a private discussion... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #65

Your apology is accepted. kwassa Mar 2015 #101

Thanks cbayer.... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #102

So, you have a problem with my arguing her viewpoint? kwassa Mar 2015 #104

Said the person interjecting Lordquinton Mar 2015 #76

It's just another verbose personal attack okasha Mar 2015 #73

indeed, and here we have a much better model for the ideal personal attack: Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #85

The most judgmental people don't ever seem to face the consequences for it. trotsky Mar 2015 #53

TOO SLOW! come on already. or am i thinking about smiting? pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #11

I don't see any mechanism in the Universe edhopper Mar 2015 #12

Is it necessarily a mechanism? cbayer Mar 2015 #21

I was talking about edhopper Mar 2015 #24

Stop touching people without their permission. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #44

I regard it as a psychological rather than physical truth struggle4progress Mar 2015 #13

You said it really well. cbayer Mar 2015 #20

So karma doesn't exist for sociopaths? F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #39

That was a great question. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #45

Have you noticed that more and more people are adopting trolling as a life-style? struggle4progress Mar 2015 #89

I have. A lot of good questions in this thread. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #90

I'm concerned for the gosts. okasha Mar 2015 #107

So autistic children aren't fully human? Lordquinton Mar 2015 #77

Have you noticed that internet communication doesn't always produce coherent conversations? struggle4progress Mar 2015 #93

I have noticed, care to explain how it applies? Lordquinton Mar 2015 #100

the poster appears to be once again spamming a discussion with nonsense Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #115

I don't believe in it. LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #15

Well said. nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #40

no shit Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #52

Gee, how odd that none of the defenders of "karma" have responded to you yet. trotsky Mar 2015 #64

I wish it was true, but I don't believe it really happens. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #28

Karma is bullshit. truebrit71 Mar 2015 #32

Karma, as I understand it, is not just a simplistic system of rewards and punishments. SheilaT Mar 2015 #33

No. And I think that idea is disgusting. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #42

Excellent post. n/t trotsky Mar 2015 #55

does anyone choose to be a sociopath? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #81

A very good question. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #88

there are schools of thought, guillaumeb Mar 2015 #117

So the person who did the evil failed to resist doing it Lordquinton Mar 2015 #80

It's not a system of punishments. That's not the way to think about it. SheilaT Mar 2015 #92

"choosing to be born into a particular situation" Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #111

Yes, I do. However, I know that many people SheilaT Mar 2015 #113

like the rest of religious bullshit, it isn't that it is impossible to believe, it is easy to Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #114

What I often like best about DU, SheilaT Mar 2015 #116

I don't believe in karma... Newest Reality Mar 2015 #35

If it exists... F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #36

hmm, I have no clue about animals! nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #48

If you only think of karma as something SheilaT Mar 2015 #106

Karma is romanticised evil. Justification for the mistreatment of humans. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #47

Ugh, one of many various beliefs in a "just world fallacy" that can be used to explain away... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #50

karma = what goes around, comes around Skittles Mar 2015 #51

what does consistent ass-kicking result in, Ms. Skittles ? steve2470 Mar 2015 #62

I WILL KICK KARMA-BELIEVING STEVE2470 ASS Skittles Mar 2015 #94

lol I decided I don't truly believe in karma steve2470 Mar 2015 #95

I WILL KICK OP-CHANGING STEVE2470 ASS Skittles Mar 2015 #96

I'm just getting my ass kicked no matter what lol steve2470 Mar 2015 #97

WOOT!! Skittles Mar 2015 #98

So again, a child run over by a truck - what karma caused that? Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #70

that's what I am saying Skittles Mar 2015 #71

Complete bullshit, and as others have noted... trotsky Mar 2015 #54

I believe in "ripples". PassingFair Mar 2015 #61

Karma AlbertCat Mar 2015 #66

The poll is *way* too simplistic for a vast, vast concept. Hestia Mar 2015 #69

Oh, yes! That's a wonderful book. SheilaT Mar 2015 #108

The poll is fine, and yes it can be reduced to a simple concept. It is bullshit. Pure and simple. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #122

I don't believe in karma as commonly defined.. LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #72

+1 deutsey Mar 2015 #82

Another reason not to act. Iggo Mar 2015 #119

Karma really isn't about that at all. cbayer Mar 2015 #120

Cosmic scales of moral justice is not what Karma is about YankeyMCC Mar 2015 #121

I believe in my interpretation of Zen Buddhism's version of karma, ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #125

For every action libodem Mar 2015 #126

Instant Karma MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #127