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'The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries elleng May 2018 #1
True. And I feel that many theists accept that view. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #5
Speculation Lordquinton May 2018 #26
Of course. And I framed it as an opinion. guillaumeb May 2018 #32
It's still mere speculation Lordquinton May 2018 #45
Some could have been atheists Eko May 2018 #2
Speculation. guillaumeb May 2018 #7
Maybe, maybe not. Eko May 2018 #18
He seems to have opposed the negative aspects of the institution. guillaumeb May 2018 #20
I dont know. This one is pretty strong. Eko May 2018 #22
Jefferson also wrote that each generation needs a revolution. guillaumeb May 2018 #29
What does that have to do with religion? Lordquinton May 2018 #46
It has to do with Jefferson and his views. guillaumeb May 2018 #65
So it's a non-sequitur meant to distract from the topic Lordquinton May 2018 #76
You seem confused. guillaumeb May 2018 #108
No, you're just trying to cover for yourself Lordquinton May 2018 #128
Congratulations on convincing yourself. guillaumeb May 2018 #136
Wow, a stock answer with less than zero substance Lordquinton May 2018 #142
Amazingly enough, I thought the same about your response. guillaumeb May 2018 #145
And again distracting from the topic at hand Lordquinton May 2018 #151
And again, missing the point. guillaumeb May 2018 #154
Did you even read what I wrote? Lordquinton May 2018 #169
You're missing the point Major Nikon May 2018 #182
It's a good thing I'm used to these responces Lordquinton May 2018 #190
As predictable as a broken record Major Nikon May 2018 #183
Oh my... Lordquinton May 2018 #191
A choir of one, apparently. trotsky May 2018 #202
There's always the fan club Major Nikon May 2018 #203
Update Lordquinton May 2018 #213
It would save a lot of time if he just numbered his responses Major Nikon May 2018 #214
I think you missed... NeoGreen May 2018 #215
I'm going to have to combine some of them Major Nikon May 2018 #216
how about delineated variations... NeoGreen May 2018 #217
That would save a lot of time Lordquinton May 2018 #218
Someone should open a thread on it Major Nikon May 2018 #219
Perhaps when more time is available Lordquinton May 2018 #220
Did he really say that? dont think so. Eko May 2018 #164
There you go with your reality again Major Nikon May 2018 #184
Sorry Mr Major Sir! Eko May 2018 #185
You need to put yourself on report Major Nikon May 2018 #186
I think it might have been the 12th. Eko May 2018 #189
That's fully covered by the 11th Major Nikon May 2018 #194
Shucks. Eko May 2018 #195
Does that say how it relates to his views on religion? Lordquinton May 2018 #192
I think I could answer that, Eko May 2018 #196
Taking it far away from the topic at hand Lordquinton May 2018 #197
ah, Guillaumeb is a ally. Eko May 2018 #198
guillaumeb saidsimplesimon May 2018 #178
I do find it interesting that Eko May 2018 #231
Sometimes I wish that Jefferson favored the period lordsummerisle May 2018 #177
He didnt say that also. Eko May 2018 #168
This doesn't sound like opposition to the negative aspects of the institution. Eko May 2018 #170
So where were the atheists of the 17th and 18th centuries? Major Nikon May 2018 #23
A good question. guillaumeb May 2018 #30
And you are certainly entitled to that opinion Major Nikon May 2018 #38
Unfamiliarity with the concept? guillaumeb May 2018 #64
Not an answer Major Nikon May 2018 #81
I was referring to your question, and a possible reason guillaumeb May 2018 #109
Understanding the difference seems to be the best reason. YMMV. Major Nikon May 2018 #121
Revelation is an interesting subject. guillaumeb May 2018 #132
They also do Major Nikon May 2018 #138
You well demonstrate what you attack. guillaumeb May 2018 #144
My first line matter of factly answers the question you posed yourself. Major Nikon May 2018 #153
You have convinced yourself. guillaumeb May 2018 #155
I can't take all the credit Major Nikon May 2018 #157
Yes, you can. guillaumeb May 2018 #159
No need to be so modest Major Nikon May 2018 #162
Speaking of debates, this one was a bit bizarre. guillaumeb May 2018 #163
You post this immediately after your diversion remark? Major Nikon May 2018 #173
Are you welcoming me from "mansplaining" world? guillaumeb May 2018 #209
Won the debate with you as well Lordquinton May 2018 #193
Some arguments are self-defeating Major Nikon May 2018 #212
Actually the term "atheist" was used by Greeks and Romans to refer to early Christians. malchickiwick May 2018 #52
The term was also used differently in the 17th and 18th centuries by freethinkers Major Nikon May 2018 #53
Do you think "creator" and "god" are interchangeable? Major Nikon May 2018 #44
So, are you a deist? MineralMan May 2018 #3
I am a theist first, guillaumeb May 2018 #8
So, then, you are not a Christian? MineralMan May 2018 #10
I see no problem with being a Christian and a deist. guillaumeb May 2018 #12
OK, then... MineralMan May 2018 #14
Was this Jesus person a god? Voltaire2 May 2018 #49
I agree with the American Friends that each person has a fragment of the divine. guillaumeb May 2018 #66
That is not an answer. Voltaire2 May 2018 #71
If all humans are a part of the Creator, guillaumeb May 2018 #106
Nope. Still haven't answered. Voltaire2 May 2018 #114
I did answer, but not as you wanted. guillaumeb May 2018 #120
I understood it perfectly Major Nikon May 2018 #176
So you think you're a god? Lordquinton May 2018 #129
You sound confused. guillaumeb May 2018 #137
Again, not in the slightest Lordquinton May 2018 #146
Definitely confused. guillaumeb May 2018 #148
You talking about yourself? Lordquinton May 2018 #167
Sometimes a non-answer provides far more information Major Nikon May 2018 #179
multiply this by a hundred Lordquinton May 2018 #188
"the message of Jesus" trotsky May 2018 #204
Still confused? guillaumeb May 2018 #211
Gaslighting. n/t trotsky May 2018 #221
Does that not make you an atheist? Major Nikon May 2018 #59
Are you working on some sort of routine? guillaumeb May 2018 #70
Come on Gil, don't project. Mariana May 2018 #74
Just questioning how much or little you know about the subject matter Major Nikon May 2018 #83
As are mine of you. guillaumeb May 2018 #110
Sorry I didn't mention it before, but thanks for utterly disproving your argument Major Nikon May 2018 #124
Thank you for confirming my suspicion. guillaumeb May 2018 #135
I am, thanks for noticing. Major Nikon May 2018 #139
Preceded my agnostic 'belief,' elleng May 2018 #4
My opinion is that this described George LeMaitre as well. guillaumeb May 2018 #9
Who was a theist and decidedly not a deist Major Nikon May 2018 #84
Sarcasm and insult are not substitutes for insight. guillaumeb May 2018 #111
You stole my line! Major Nikon May 2018 #123
Depends on what they meant by "placeholder" marylandblue May 2018 #6
After reading the response, and replying to it, guillaumeb May 2018 #11
You never actually asked that question marylandblue May 2018 #13
I disagree. guillaumeb May 2018 #15
I have no dog in this fight marylandblue May 2018 #19
I accept that about you. guillaumeb May 2018 #21
The best part is his own source says virtually the exact same thing Major Nikon May 2018 #42
Ouch. trotsky May 2018 #205
Disagree all you want. The facts tell a different story. Major Nikon May 2018 #41
If you refrained from insults and attack, guillaumeb May 2018 #115
The facts tell a different story Major Nikon May 2018 #122
Your responses are very harmonious. guillaumeb May 2018 #134
Whatever that means Major Nikon May 2018 #140
It was his choir insult. It should be on the list. Voltaire2 May 2018 #223
Sounds more like a sock allegation Major Nikon May 2018 #224
Could be that too. Voltaire2 May 2018 #225
I'm sure at this point he would love nothing more than to see this thread fall off the first page. trotsky May 2018 #228
Yes. We are supposed to sing in harmony. MineralMan May 2018 #226
That's exactly what happened Lordquinton May 2018 #47
At least you admit your strawman Major Nikon May 2018 #24
"no evidence" Major Nikon May 2018 #133
You missed an essential part. guillaumeb May 2018 #141
Funny how you pretend to want to engage in dialog after injecting yet more strawman into it Major Nikon May 2018 #150
Funny how you ignored my point. guillaumeb May 2018 #152
The evidence proves otherwise Major Nikon May 2018 #160
Nice try. guillaumeb May 2018 #161
One would have to be delusional to think so Major Nikon May 2018 #165
I am enjoying how you divert yourself. guillaumeb May 2018 #166
I'm diverting to your own words. Please try to stay focused. Major Nikon May 2018 #172
"Deists believe in a god of nature -- a noninterventionist creator" procon May 2018 #16
I understand your position. guillaumeb May 2018 #17
It's actually simplistic and non-inclusive Major Nikon May 2018 #56
It has always somewhat surprised me when religious folks try to appropriate procon May 2018 #57
Most religions have some kind of creation myth Major Nikon May 2018 #58
That's why I'm an atheist, it's much less complicated than the religious contortions. procon May 2018 #60
There are those here who make that overly complicated as well Major Nikon May 2018 #61
LOL - that's good, too. nt procon May 2018 #62
Christians are not deists Cartoonist May 2018 #25
Christians can be deists Major Nikon May 2018 #27
Are there Christians like that? Cartoonist May 2018 #28
At one time there were many Major Nikon May 2018 #37
By definition, Christians must believe that Jesus was 'anointed' muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #85
And thus the matter is settled? guillaumeb May 2018 #31
Just responding to your OP Cartoonist May 2018 #33
The sources can make that claim. guillaumeb May 2018 #34
I'm OK with the definition you provided. Cartoonist May 2018 #35
Deity and deism. guillaumeb May 2018 #63
Dumb and dumber Cartoonist May 2018 #77
Anyone can be a Christian. Mariana May 2018 #43
There are those who believe otherwise Major Nikon May 2018 #86
Yeah, and they all believe and disbelieve different things. nt. Mariana May 2018 #87
It's part of the Christian tradition to argue about who is a Christian marylandblue May 2018 #91
Things were much simpler when you could just BBQ dissenters Major Nikon May 2018 #92
A non-interventionist creator paleotn May 2018 #36
This becomes apparent when you consider how they avoided the supernatural Major Nikon May 2018 #39
I think you didn't read very far into your own source Major Nikon May 2018 #40
I think you are channeling another poster here. guillaumeb May 2018 #67
The same methods of actually reading the material you provided? Mariana May 2018 #79
Same nonsense Major Nikon May 2018 #82
Such a literalist Lordquinton May 2018 #48
Your source is biased. Mariana May 2018 #50
Did you really expect anything other than confirmation bias? Major Nikon May 2018 #55
Name an unbiased source. guillaumeb May 2018 #68
You can do better. Mariana May 2018 #72
And some can find fault with everything guillaumeb May 2018 #112
Websters, Collins, Oxford, Britanica, among others Major Nikon May 2018 #89
So you openly admit you went to a biased source? Lordquinton May 2018 #96
You need to reread what I wrote. guillaumeb May 2018 #113
Funny how you always say that when you've been busted contradicting yourself Major Nikon May 2018 #126
Ok, reread it Lordquinton May 2018 #127
What are you trying to accomplish with all your post? njhoneybadger May 2018 #51
Nailed it Major Nikon May 2018 #54
You sound convinced of your own opinion. guillaumeb May 2018 #69
What are you trying to accomplish with your post? nt. Mariana May 2018 #73
... Major Nikon May 2018 #94
To promote dialogue in with those who wish it. guillaumeb May 2018 #107
Please do keep promoting this thread Major Nikon May 2018 #143
Your best talent so far seems to be posting such clips. guillaumeb May 2018 #147
Yours seems to be hubris Major Nikon May 2018 #156
You need a better dictionary. guillaumeb May 2018 #158
We can use yours if you like Major Nikon May 2018 #171
LMAO trotsky May 2018 #206
At least he is consistently inconsistent Major Nikon May 2018 #207
Not another type of theist - here's the definition of theism: muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #75
You may be using a too-high level of diction. MineralMan May 2018 #78
Were you confused? guillaumeb May 2018 #117
Someone is Major Nikon May 2018 #181
Kinda funny though Major Nikon May 2018 #88
Now, here we have the crux of the matter. Both recognize a supreme being but PatrickforO May 2018 #105
So in your view, what does a deist believe that's different from your belief? Major Nikon May 2018 #180
According to the definitions provided here, the deist believes there is a God, PatrickforO May 2018 #199
Creation was intervention. guillaumeb May 2018 #116
Which is where the intervention stops for deists Major Nikon May 2018 #131
You yourself bolded "a noninterventionist creator". Are you saying that's an oxymoron muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #200
What's your take on free will? Htom Sirveaux May 2018 #80
As sentient beings, we have free will. guillaumeb May 2018 #118
From your own crappy source: Voltaire2 May 2018 #90
... Major Nikon May 2018 #93
Apparently, one needs only to read the introductory material MineralMan May 2018 #95
The 11th Commandment in action is amusing to behold. guillaumeb May 2018 #119
"amusing to behold" Major Nikon May 2018 #125
"Mansplaining" can also be amusing to see. guillaumeb May 2018 #229
... Major Nikon May 2018 #230
So pointing out that your source contradicts your thesis is a violation of your rules? Voltaire2 May 2018 #222
Many things are amusing... MineralMan May 2018 #227
Someone clearly got their feelings hurt in the process Major Nikon May 2018 #232
So you go to a conservative christian site for absolute definition on religious matters Lordquinton May 2018 #97
This thread is now a religion forum classic trainwreck. Voltaire2 May 2018 #98
It should be a sticky Major Nikon May 2018 #99
Well, it is sunday... Lordquinton May 2018 #100
Bookmarking to be a permanent reference... NeoGreen May 2018 #101
Don't forget to rec Major Nikon May 2018 #102
Done (nt) NeoGreen May 2018 #103
Oh, we do know Lordquinton May 2018 #130
K&R for future reference. MineralMan May 2018 #104
Only 27 out of 80. guillaumeb May 2018 #149
The quality more than makes up for the quantity Major Nikon May 2018 #174
Irrelevant to the discussion. MineralMan May 2018 #208
There's a lesson to be learned here Major Nikon May 2018 #187
"Thoughts" saidsimplesimon May 2018 #175
Which does not make them atheists. guillaumeb May 2018 #210
And there you go with a fine display of hypocrisy once again. trotsky May 2018 #201
Deism defers to the study of Nature; Science Bretton Garcia May 2018 #233
This might be an eternal thread. Voltaire2 May 2018 #234
Hopefully there's no religion in it Bretton Garcia May 2018 #235
Good god man, don't ever say that Major Nikon May 2018 #236
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