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25. Not offensive, just laughably uninformed

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 06:48 PM

Jul 2012

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The biggest problem I see with both religion and opinions opposed to religion is the bullying that comes about when people try to force what they think on others. We are a long way from being evolved enough to leave each other alone.

Tell us, please, about all the times that atheists have gone into houses of worship to try to force their opinions, practices, beliefs, convictions or worldview on people who don't share them. Then tell us about all of the times that religious believers have used the law and the institutions of what is supposed to be a secular government (the legislature, the courts, the military, the schools) to try to force everyone to conform to, profess, support or participate in their beliefs and practices, and to exclude those who refuse.

If you can do that honestly, THEN tell us who's leaving who alone and who isn't. And who has a right to be less than happy about it.

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So, What is Wrong with Liberal Religion? [View all] cleanhippie Jul 2012 OP

I thought that was an Onion piece Skittles Jul 2012 #1

Why? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #2

It should also be noted that this writer objects to atheism on similar grounds cbayer Jul 2012 #3

No, he doesn't skepticscott Jul 2012 #5

+1 cleanhippie Jul 2012 #8

What's wrong with everyone's opinions get the red out Jul 2012 #4

Oh, please.. skepticscott Jul 2012 #6

I'm not going anywhere get the red out Jul 2012 #13

I agree. Adsos Letter Jul 2012 #21

Not offensive, just laughably uninformed skepticscott Jul 2012 #25

In this forum, in this time, in this space ... kwassa Jul 2012 #27

If the person I was responding to skepticscott Jul 2012 #30

Everybody pushes their opinions get the red out Jul 2012 #33

Except that this isn't about being "angry, hurt and rude" skepticscott Jul 2012 #45

Bullying is coercion get the red out Jul 2012 #129

And I used my freedom of speech skepticscott Jul 2012 #131

Both groups tell everyone else to shut up get the red out Jul 2012 #132

I didn't ask you for "statistics" skepticscott Jul 2012 #133

Persuasion is not "force". Criticism, even ridicule, are not "force"... Silent3 Jul 2012 #48

Just curious here: How was it necessary to the point you make to use the word "laughably"? patrice Jul 2012 #58

Part of the point was skepticscott Jul 2012 #63

What's not useful about the fact that you didn't need that word & ONLY turned the person OFF to patrice Jul 2012 #67

"need" as in the rational content of the post is the SAME without it. So WHAT is it for? Hurt. patrice Jul 2012 #69

Hurt. or padding for the old ego-strap. patrice Jul 2012 #70

Self replies are really odd. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #80

Is "odd" not permitted? I like Subject lines, so I don't edit. People can scan the whole thread patrice Jul 2012 #83

... to get a sense of the whole thing, though I do edit most of the time. patrice Jul 2012 #84

You assume that I care about being "odd". nt patrice Jul 2012 #88

You assume, falsely skepticscott Jul 2012 #71

And you assume falsely that I am advocating for deference. There are more effective ways to patrice Jul 2012 #72

And you've gauged the effectiveness of skepticscott Jul 2012 #73

Based on experience and common sense. And of course there is more than deductive "proof" for any patrice Jul 2012 #75

No, this isn't a court of law. How is that remotely relevant? skepticscott Jul 2012 #78

It's relevant; you're treating a poster here as if it were, with you = judge, jury, & punisher nt patrice Jul 2012 #85

Hogwash, not to mention a silly use of the analogy. skepticscott Jul 2012 #92

You claimed a right to insult others for "truth". AUTHENTIC challenge is fine, insult bastardizes patrice Jul 2012 #95

Please show me where I directed a personal insult skepticscott Jul 2012 #97

"laughably uninformed" in #25 insults the poster & squelches other "lesser beings" who might patrice Jul 2012 #99

Here was the exchange skepticscott Jul 2012 #101

We have different understandings of persuasion. I consider mine more complete & that is patrice Jul 2012 #86

Well, gee, since we have different understandings of persuasion skepticscott Jul 2012 #94

Pardon me if I think hurting people is bad, besides being counter-productive to one's purpose. patrice Jul 2012 #96

How exactly was anyone "hurt" here? skepticscott Jul 2012 #98

"keeping nonsense from ..." Did WE give you authority to exclude or admit participants???? patrice Jul 2012 #100

No one has been "excluded" except by their own choice. skepticscott Jul 2012 #104

Your idea that Dorian Gray Jul 2012 #110

Off putting is one thing. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #111

Well, if the point you were making skepticscott Jul 2012 #113

Yeah if only those atheist bastards would stop passing laws dmallind Jul 2012 #121

Agree. It's the team sport notion of believing or not believing that cause the most problems. cbayer Jul 2012 #7

Identifying where we meet IS important, but so is identifying where we depart. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #10

He says the same thing about atheists. cbayer Jul 2012 #12

The only problem I have is this continued use of the term "atheism" to mean something it is not. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #15

This is a complete diversion, but to satisfy your need to be semantically correct, cbayer Jul 2012 #18

What we have here is a failure to validate legitimate concerns and problems. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #35

Your new path has led you to the same place, ch. I am done with you. cbayer Jul 2012 #37

While you may think I'm moving in circles, at least I'm trying to find a way forward. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #38

Wow, you are so full of crap. Evoman Jul 2012 #52

Who is the "we" you refer to? cbayer Jul 2012 #54

We? Evoman Jul 2012 #56

Sorry, it was the "us" you referred to, not we. Same difference. cbayer Jul 2012 #57

Cancer is a real bitch. Evoman Jul 2012 #62

Your personal journey is your personal journey. cbayer Jul 2012 #64

So who on this board skepticscott Jul 2012 #66

I hate religion, in the way I hate lies and bullshit. But who the hell ever talks about destroying? Evoman Jul 2012 #77

Sorry, that's a "gotcha" question skepticscott Jul 2012 #87

You seem to want to take the position that one side is "more better" than the other, cbayer Jul 2012 #102

You seem to want to take the position skepticscott Jul 2012 #105

Religion is a lie. Evoman Jul 2012 #109

I don't think we have anywhere to go from here, evoman. cbayer Jul 2012 #114

So when Christian fundamentalists skepticscott Jul 2012 #115

I don't laugh at people who embrace religion. I laugh when they try to defend beliefs and utterly Evoman Jul 2012 #120

I've not seen liberal believers here defend the actions of the religious right. cbayer Jul 2012 #122

Ha. We can bridge gaps with our mutual love of cheeseburgers. Evoman Jul 2012 #127

And you express that "tolerance" skepticscott Jul 2012 #138

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head skepticscott Jul 2012 #65

Christians who think there's JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #130

I agree with you but fail to see how this responds to what I have written. cbayer Jul 2012 #134

You claim to dislike division JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #136

You know absolutely nothing about me or my agenda. cbayer Jul 2012 #137

You parade your agenda all over this group skepticscott Jul 2012 #139

"What it is that is dividing us," Leontius Jul 2012 #17

Then you need to stop guessing and pay attention to what people are saying instead. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #43

I asked a question and your was response Leontius Jul 2012 #50

I think you need to go back and look at the statement you made, along with its associated question. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #51

Thanks for your input I'll give it the Leontius Jul 2012 #55

Your post: eqfan592 Jul 2012 #60

I see the point you are making Leontius Jul 2012 #74

I see our esteemed friend is still afraid to comment on the question of 'what divides us' Leontius Jul 2012 #125

where people depart and come together. DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #26

Good post. kwassa Jul 2012 #28

Isn't that the whole point? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #9

In society there is a lot of bullying get the red out Jul 2012 #14

It seems that my point was lost on you. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #36

No, clearly it isn't. trotsky Jul 2012 #32

Clearly. I guess to some, "common ground" only means moving to where they stand. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #39

I see no other conclusion one can draw from the observations in this group. trotsky Jul 2012 #42

+100 Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #16

I very much like your post get the red out Jul 2012 #19

Persecutor?? Give me a break skepticscott Jul 2012 #20

You have no idea what I have experienced during my time on this planet. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #23

Where did I ever say I did? skepticscott Jul 2012 #24

Show me where in this country there is real atheist persecution ... kwassa Jul 2012 #29

Show me where I ever said there was..oh, right..you can't skepticscott Jul 2012 #31

Larry Hooper. Fred Whitehead. CSF tests, child custody data. "not real citizens"... dmallind Jul 2012 #123

and who are these people? kwassa Jul 2012 #126

I think there is discrimination, even now. cbayer Jul 2012 #124

How the fuck does anyone "force" what they think on others? Evoman Jul 2012 #46

Also by forming little power cliques that ridicule non-members, so that society gets the message, patrice Jul 2012 #68

a.k.a. Fascism. patrice Jul 2012 #76

Yes, as a nonbeliever, I experience that all the time. Deep13 Jul 2012 #89

Oh! Hell, yeah! Both sides ARE doing it. Sorry, not my fault. I respect both. patrice Jul 2012 #93

I fully agree that science has linitations... Deep13 Jul 2012 #119

It is not about opinion at all... Deep13 Jul 2012 #82

Unitarian-Universalists think what we DO (supporting gay rights, social justice, water for all) LiberalEsto Jul 2012 #11

It is your right to not participate in a liberal religion. Adsos Letter Jul 2012 #22

UU's are on the cutting edge of "common ground." cleanhippie Jul 2012 #40

A similar point was made in a book by a UU minister... E_Pluribus_Unitarian Jul 2012 #34

See my post #40 above ,please. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #44

I would rephrase the question, asking instead: humblebum Jul 2012 #41

I think the problem with radical atheists is the gay bashing. Evoman Jul 2012 #47

You may be more right than you realize. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #53

Of course I am. Look at the news (well, the few that aren't owned by radical atheist organizations) Evoman Jul 2012 #59

Do you really want to go down this path? humblebum Jul 2012 #103

And is this a common practice now among any even remotely significant portion... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #106

Actually becoming more common over the past few years in this nation. Like I said, humblebum Jul 2012 #107

humblebum, I'm well aware of what you feel is the "history" of "radical atheism." eqfan592 Jul 2012 #112

"Your desperate attempts to link it to all atheists today?" humblebum Jul 2012 #116

No, of course not, humblebum. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #117

That is the distinction emphasized by "radical" atheists. Unless you assume humblebum Jul 2012 #118

Seriously...what was that guy's name and the name of that show? Evoman Jul 2012 #108

From a personal perspective... LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #49

I need a definition of "Liberal Religion". Organized belief that "translates . . . . patrice Jul 2012 #61

It requires belief in a lie. nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #79

Or in what might be an anomaly & of course we all know that anomalies are meaningless . . . patrice Jul 2012 #90

An anomaly? What are you talking about? nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #91

Oh. My. Goddette. bluerum Jul 2012 #81

I agree with the third line but not the second ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #128

And I agree with the first line. cbayer Jul 2012 #135