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JNelson6563

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130. Christians who think there's

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:46 AM

Jul 2012

not enough religious influence in our secular government are a BIG part of the problem.

And I don't care how much verbosity you throw at that, there it is.

Julie

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So, What is Wrong with Liberal Religion? [View all] cleanhippie Jul 2012 OP

I thought that was an Onion piece Skittles Jul 2012 #1

Why? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #2

It should also be noted that this writer objects to atheism on similar grounds cbayer Jul 2012 #3

No, he doesn't skepticscott Jul 2012 #5

+1 cleanhippie Jul 2012 #8

What's wrong with everyone's opinions get the red out Jul 2012 #4

Oh, please.. skepticscott Jul 2012 #6

I'm not going anywhere get the red out Jul 2012 #13

I agree. Adsos Letter Jul 2012 #21

Not offensive, just laughably uninformed skepticscott Jul 2012 #25

In this forum, in this time, in this space ... kwassa Jul 2012 #27

If the person I was responding to skepticscott Jul 2012 #30

Everybody pushes their opinions get the red out Jul 2012 #33

Except that this isn't about being "angry, hurt and rude" skepticscott Jul 2012 #45

Bullying is coercion get the red out Jul 2012 #129

And I used my freedom of speech skepticscott Jul 2012 #131

Both groups tell everyone else to shut up get the red out Jul 2012 #132

I didn't ask you for "statistics" skepticscott Jul 2012 #133

Persuasion is not "force". Criticism, even ridicule, are not "force"... Silent3 Jul 2012 #48

Just curious here: How was it necessary to the point you make to use the word "laughably"? patrice Jul 2012 #58

Part of the point was skepticscott Jul 2012 #63

What's not useful about the fact that you didn't need that word & ONLY turned the person OFF to patrice Jul 2012 #67

"need" as in the rational content of the post is the SAME without it. So WHAT is it for? Hurt. patrice Jul 2012 #69

Hurt. or padding for the old ego-strap. patrice Jul 2012 #70

Self replies are really odd. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #80

Is "odd" not permitted? I like Subject lines, so I don't edit. People can scan the whole thread patrice Jul 2012 #83

... to get a sense of the whole thing, though I do edit most of the time. patrice Jul 2012 #84

You assume that I care about being "odd". nt patrice Jul 2012 #88

You assume, falsely skepticscott Jul 2012 #71

And you assume falsely that I am advocating for deference. There are more effective ways to patrice Jul 2012 #72

And you've gauged the effectiveness of skepticscott Jul 2012 #73

Based on experience and common sense. And of course there is more than deductive "proof" for any patrice Jul 2012 #75

No, this isn't a court of law. How is that remotely relevant? skepticscott Jul 2012 #78

It's relevant; you're treating a poster here as if it were, with you = judge, jury, & punisher nt patrice Jul 2012 #85

Hogwash, not to mention a silly use of the analogy. skepticscott Jul 2012 #92

You claimed a right to insult others for "truth". AUTHENTIC challenge is fine, insult bastardizes patrice Jul 2012 #95

Please show me where I directed a personal insult skepticscott Jul 2012 #97

"laughably uninformed" in #25 insults the poster & squelches other "lesser beings" who might patrice Jul 2012 #99

Here was the exchange skepticscott Jul 2012 #101

We have different understandings of persuasion. I consider mine more complete & that is patrice Jul 2012 #86

Well, gee, since we have different understandings of persuasion skepticscott Jul 2012 #94

Pardon me if I think hurting people is bad, besides being counter-productive to one's purpose. patrice Jul 2012 #96

How exactly was anyone "hurt" here? skepticscott Jul 2012 #98

"keeping nonsense from ..." Did WE give you authority to exclude or admit participants???? patrice Jul 2012 #100

No one has been "excluded" except by their own choice. skepticscott Jul 2012 #104

Your idea that Dorian Gray Jul 2012 #110

Off putting is one thing. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #111

Well, if the point you were making skepticscott Jul 2012 #113

Yeah if only those atheist bastards would stop passing laws dmallind Jul 2012 #121

Agree. It's the team sport notion of believing or not believing that cause the most problems. cbayer Jul 2012 #7

Identifying where we meet IS important, but so is identifying where we depart. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #10

He says the same thing about atheists. cbayer Jul 2012 #12

The only problem I have is this continued use of the term "atheism" to mean something it is not. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #15

This is a complete diversion, but to satisfy your need to be semantically correct, cbayer Jul 2012 #18

What we have here is a failure to validate legitimate concerns and problems. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #35

Your new path has led you to the same place, ch. I am done with you. cbayer Jul 2012 #37

While you may think I'm moving in circles, at least I'm trying to find a way forward. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #38

Wow, you are so full of crap. Evoman Jul 2012 #52

Who is the "we" you refer to? cbayer Jul 2012 #54

We? Evoman Jul 2012 #56

Sorry, it was the "us" you referred to, not we. Same difference. cbayer Jul 2012 #57

Cancer is a real bitch. Evoman Jul 2012 #62

Your personal journey is your personal journey. cbayer Jul 2012 #64

So who on this board skepticscott Jul 2012 #66

I hate religion, in the way I hate lies and bullshit. But who the hell ever talks about destroying? Evoman Jul 2012 #77

Sorry, that's a "gotcha" question skepticscott Jul 2012 #87

You seem to want to take the position that one side is "more better" than the other, cbayer Jul 2012 #102

You seem to want to take the position skepticscott Jul 2012 #105

Religion is a lie. Evoman Jul 2012 #109

I don't think we have anywhere to go from here, evoman. cbayer Jul 2012 #114

So when Christian fundamentalists skepticscott Jul 2012 #115

I don't laugh at people who embrace religion. I laugh when they try to defend beliefs and utterly Evoman Jul 2012 #120

I've not seen liberal believers here defend the actions of the religious right. cbayer Jul 2012 #122

Ha. We can bridge gaps with our mutual love of cheeseburgers. Evoman Jul 2012 #127

And you express that "tolerance" skepticscott Jul 2012 #138

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head skepticscott Jul 2012 #65

Christians who think there's JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #130

I agree with you but fail to see how this responds to what I have written. cbayer Jul 2012 #134

You claim to dislike division JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #136

You know absolutely nothing about me or my agenda. cbayer Jul 2012 #137

You parade your agenda all over this group skepticscott Jul 2012 #139

"What it is that is dividing us," Leontius Jul 2012 #17

Then you need to stop guessing and pay attention to what people are saying instead. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #43

I asked a question and your was response Leontius Jul 2012 #50

I think you need to go back and look at the statement you made, along with its associated question. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #51

Thanks for your input I'll give it the Leontius Jul 2012 #55

Your post: eqfan592 Jul 2012 #60

I see the point you are making Leontius Jul 2012 #74

I see our esteemed friend is still afraid to comment on the question of 'what divides us' Leontius Jul 2012 #125

where people depart and come together. DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #26

Good post. kwassa Jul 2012 #28

Isn't that the whole point? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #9

In society there is a lot of bullying get the red out Jul 2012 #14

It seems that my point was lost on you. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #36

No, clearly it isn't. trotsky Jul 2012 #32

Clearly. I guess to some, "common ground" only means moving to where they stand. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #39

I see no other conclusion one can draw from the observations in this group. trotsky Jul 2012 #42

+100 Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #16

I very much like your post get the red out Jul 2012 #19

Persecutor?? Give me a break skepticscott Jul 2012 #20

You have no idea what I have experienced during my time on this planet. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #23

Where did I ever say I did? skepticscott Jul 2012 #24

Show me where in this country there is real atheist persecution ... kwassa Jul 2012 #29

Show me where I ever said there was..oh, right..you can't skepticscott Jul 2012 #31

Larry Hooper. Fred Whitehead. CSF tests, child custody data. "not real citizens"... dmallind Jul 2012 #123

and who are these people? kwassa Jul 2012 #126

I think there is discrimination, even now. cbayer Jul 2012 #124

How the fuck does anyone "force" what they think on others? Evoman Jul 2012 #46

Also by forming little power cliques that ridicule non-members, so that society gets the message, patrice Jul 2012 #68

a.k.a. Fascism. patrice Jul 2012 #76

Yes, as a nonbeliever, I experience that all the time. Deep13 Jul 2012 #89

Oh! Hell, yeah! Both sides ARE doing it. Sorry, not my fault. I respect both. patrice Jul 2012 #93

I fully agree that science has linitations... Deep13 Jul 2012 #119

It is not about opinion at all... Deep13 Jul 2012 #82

Unitarian-Universalists think what we DO (supporting gay rights, social justice, water for all) LiberalEsto Jul 2012 #11

It is your right to not participate in a liberal religion. Adsos Letter Jul 2012 #22

UU's are on the cutting edge of "common ground." cleanhippie Jul 2012 #40

A similar point was made in a book by a UU minister... E_Pluribus_Unitarian Jul 2012 #34

See my post #40 above ,please. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #44

I would rephrase the question, asking instead: humblebum Jul 2012 #41

I think the problem with radical atheists is the gay bashing. Evoman Jul 2012 #47

You may be more right than you realize. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #53

Of course I am. Look at the news (well, the few that aren't owned by radical atheist organizations) Evoman Jul 2012 #59

Do you really want to go down this path? humblebum Jul 2012 #103

And is this a common practice now among any even remotely significant portion... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #106

Actually becoming more common over the past few years in this nation. Like I said, humblebum Jul 2012 #107

humblebum, I'm well aware of what you feel is the "history" of "radical atheism." eqfan592 Jul 2012 #112

"Your desperate attempts to link it to all atheists today?" humblebum Jul 2012 #116

No, of course not, humblebum. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #117

That is the distinction emphasized by "radical" atheists. Unless you assume humblebum Jul 2012 #118

Seriously...what was that guy's name and the name of that show? Evoman Jul 2012 #108

From a personal perspective... LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #49

I need a definition of "Liberal Religion". Organized belief that "translates . . . . patrice Jul 2012 #61

It requires belief in a lie. nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #79

Or in what might be an anomaly & of course we all know that anomalies are meaningless . . . patrice Jul 2012 #90

An anomaly? What are you talking about? nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #91

Oh. My. Goddette. bluerum Jul 2012 #81

I agree with the third line but not the second ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #128

And I agree with the first line. cbayer Jul 2012 #135