Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Religion
In reply to the discussion: New meta-analysis checks the correlation between intelligence and faith [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,312 posts)23. No, the graph posted in the OP does not tell the tale at all
The graph in the OP is from one study; reading carefully, I now realise that it's not actually clear that it is one of the 63 studies. Ars Technica brings it in to the discussion thus:
Is there a chance that higher intelligence makes people less religious? Two sets of large scale studies tried to answer this question.
The first are based on the Terman cohort of the gifted, started in 1921 by Lewis Terman, a psychologist at Stanford University.
...
The second set of studies is based on students of New Yorks Hunter College Elementary School for the intellectually gifted.
...
Other studies on the topic have been ambiguous. A 2009 study, led by Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, compared religious beliefs and average national IQs of 137 countries.
The first are based on the Terman cohort of the gifted, started in 1921 by Lewis Terman, a psychologist at Stanford University.
...
The second set of studies is based on students of New Yorks Hunter College Elementary School for the intellectually gifted.
...
Other studies on the topic have been ambiguous. A 2009 study, led by Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, compared religious beliefs and average national IQs of 137 countries.
That last study is the one the graph is from. Ars Technica does not actually specify that it is one of the ones used in the meta-analysis.
The studies used for the meta-analysis are not just using IQ tests:
In the various studies being examined, analytic intelligence has been measured in many different ways, including GPA (grade point average), UEE (university entrance exams), Mensa membership, and Intelligence Quotient (IQ) tests among others.
As for the Yahoo headline in the other thread that you object to so much, I'll remind you of the opening of the paper's abstract: "a meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity."
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
28 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
I guess the rest of the world is the opposite of Lake Woebegone; no one is above average. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2013
#8
It appears that only about 13 out of 137 countries are of average or above intelligence ...
Jim__
Aug 2013
#3
And from what I did see, the bulk of those studied (87%) were from western countries.
cbayer
Aug 2013
#7
A meta study is defiend as 'looking at other studies and not doing their own'
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#19
Mensa members are supposed to be very intelligent so I decided to see how many are religious. ...
spin
Aug 2013
#5