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Shankapotomus

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47. I have yet to explore meditation but

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 04:42 PM

Mar 2012

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am looking forward to it. But to continue, you're suggesting consciousness can exist by itself beyond a material host? I'm not challenging you on this - it is intriguing - but why do you think this? What clues, beyond analogies, are you going on? Thanks.

edit: i sense you've arrived at your hypothesis regarding consciousness as a way to explain the universe. am i correct? if yes, you might find me more capable of understanding what you're suggesting takes meditation to understand. there may not be as much background info required to bring me up to speed as you think. i certainly have tried imagining nothingness and then attempted to try to explain how you get consciousness from nothing. the nearest i've come to explaining it is consciousness resides on a scale and to be unconscious is really the highest form of consciousness.

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Ego , the detour from Perspicacity orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #2

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That's still weird. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #13

You are going to be in one jeff47 Mar 2012 #14

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Making copies makes a copy of your consciousness. jeff47 Mar 2012 #19

you appear then qazplm Mar 2012 #22

I'm in the group that believes consciousness is just our brains doing their jobs jeff47 Mar 2012 #23

i dont think anyone in this thread qazplm Mar 2012 #27

Your question requires a magical consciousness jeff47 Mar 2012 #28

Yes, but which one is YOURS? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #30

Your brain cells Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #32

I'm really not suggesting either way, I'm raising a fundamental question: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #35

You are correct about I am saying Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #36

I respect that opinion. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #68

The one in the body you inhabit jeff47 Mar 2012 #40

delete nt napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #31

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oh please qazplm Mar 2012 #51

I'm saying due to our lack of understanding, people have leapt to magic. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #52

saying it is mysterious and difficult to understand qazplm Mar 2012 #58

You might want to read the thread you're replying to jeff47 Mar 2012 #59

no qazplm Mar 2012 #64

If half your brain was replaced it would still be you Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #38

I get that- digonswine Mar 2012 #10

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I have yet to explore meditation but Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #47

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