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GliderGuider

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57. A couple of thoughts about meditation
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
Mar 2012

First, let me comment about language. In this area we're all largely making it up as we go along. In our culture there aren't a lot of common words to describe these things yet, so I find we rely a lot on metaphor. Precision of definitions is an idea that belongs to the analytical outer world, not this inner place of experience and synthesis.

Now, on to meditation.

Don’t worry about particular techniques. There are hundreds of ways to go about it, and they all eventually lead to the same place. It doesn't take long to learn the basics - half an hour of teaching will get you started. I prefer a very simple approach that lets me meditate for as long as I have available, pretty much anywhere. It just involves relaxing, turning my attention inward, and simply observing whatever is going on in my body, thoughts and feelings in the moment without trying to change anything (that last bit is really important). Sometimes I close my eyes, but with a bit of practice I don't even need to do that.

Trying to "stop your thoughts" or "empty the mind" can actually be counterproductive. We each have between 50,000 and 80,000 thoughts per day, our brain excretes thoughts like our glands excrete hormones. We can't stop thinking. The state of "Tabula Rasa" is impossible, and trying to achieve it can get you caught in a spiral of expectations and self-blame when it doesn't work.

What I do instead is to imagine that I am standing at a street corner watching the traffic. I see each of my thoughts as a car that pulls up in front of me. I have a choice - I can either get in and let it take me away, or I can let it drive off on its own. I simply watch them and let them all drive off.

And if I don't let one drive off without me - if I notice that I've gotten into a particularly interesting sports car of a thought and I've been driving it around for the last few minutes - when I notice what has happened I simply resume my place on the corner, watching. No blame is attached to that - it's simply a part of being human. It gets easier with time, which is why it's called "a practice".

BTW, some people use the feeling of their breath flowing in and out of the tip of their nose as a focus point, some use repeated phrases called mantras, some focus on visual objects - and some simply sit and do nothing special at all beyond being aware of what they're doing. You'll find what works for you in due course, so don't worry about technique too much at the beginning.

I think your idea of "Universal Relativity" is a perfect entry point to this place.You already have a solid conceptual grounding of how it is.

One of the things I've picked up recently from my reading of disreputable theoretical phycists is that there is in fact no "there" out there (and in fact there's not even an "out there&quot . It's all a quantum field. That means that even our perceptions are just telling us stories about some imagined reality. From that point of view, thinking about the universe and consciousness the way you do seems perfectly reasonable to me.

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what causes it? qazplm Mar 2012 #1
I would think that the "cause" is-- digonswine Mar 2012 #3
So it goes longship Mar 2012 #5
that's not an answer qazplm Mar 2012 #21
Ego , the detour from Perspicacity orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #2
Please, go on-- digonswine Mar 2012 #4
If we have no reason, to reason orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #6
Here is what's so mysterious about it: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #7
It doesn't start different jeff47 Mar 2012 #8
That's still weird. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #13
You are going to be in one jeff47 Mar 2012 #14
What is the "you" the ends up in one of the copies? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #15
Making copies makes a copy of your consciousness. jeff47 Mar 2012 #19
you appear then qazplm Mar 2012 #22
I'm in the group that believes consciousness is just our brains doing their jobs jeff47 Mar 2012 #23
i dont think anyone in this thread qazplm Mar 2012 #27
Your question requires a magical consciousness jeff47 Mar 2012 #28
Yes, but which one is YOURS? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #30
Your brain cells Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #32
I'm really not suggesting either way, I'm raising a fundamental question: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #35
You are correct about I am saying Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #36
I respect that opinion. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #68
The one in the body you inhabit jeff47 Mar 2012 #40
delete nt napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #31
no it doesnt qazplm Mar 2012 #39
The heart was once a mystical organ given all sorts of magical powers. jeff47 Mar 2012 #41
oh please qazplm Mar 2012 #51
I'm saying due to our lack of understanding, people have leapt to magic. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #52
saying it is mysterious and difficult to understand qazplm Mar 2012 #58
You might want to read the thread you're replying to jeff47 Mar 2012 #59
no qazplm Mar 2012 #64
If half your brain was replaced it would still be you Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #38
I get that- digonswine Mar 2012 #10
Trekkies have been debating this very scenario for decades. Angleae Mar 2012 #17
A copy. The original dies. laconicsax Mar 2012 #29
I think the rule of thumb here Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #37
We don't know how the brain really works. jeff47 Mar 2012 #9
Oh come on! Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #33
Comprehending 'self' has always been a mystery to philosophers, medicine and science. Lint Head Mar 2012 #11
My hypothesis is simple, and I can't really claim that it's orginal, because it isn't... Speck Tater Mar 2012 #12
Inexplicable works orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #16
Consciousness is a slippery word to define. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #20
Carl was a Sage ,his ' Baloney Test Kit ' orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #25
I think consciousness can be understood Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #34
You've explained the mechanism by which sensations REACH consciousness Speck Tater Mar 2012 #42
Fair enough Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #48
I honestly don't know the answer to that. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #49
As said tama Apr 2012 #79
Wasn't it Aristotle that said orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #80
Dunno, tama Apr 2012 #81
I'm a dumbass ,that's it !!!! Thanks orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #84
That "small step" you mention (and slide right past) is actually the Big Kahuna. GliderGuider Mar 2012 #46
I have yet to explore meditation but Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #47
When I meditate I perceive something that seems independent of thought and materiality GliderGuider Mar 2012 #50
Yes, this was exceedingly helpful Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #54
A couple of thoughts about meditation GliderGuider Mar 2012 #57
I've been reluctant to invest time in meditation Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #60
That's very well put! Speck Tater Mar 2012 #56
I'm pretty sure space/time is an aspect of mass/energy... hunter Mar 2012 #53
My best cure for "no reason to live"... Speck Tater Mar 2012 #55
I don't boil everything down to information, I boil it down to energy. hunter Mar 2012 #62
Ah, but we can never see energy. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #63
and the same can be said regarding love... hue Apr 2012 #77
What you say is true. It is also just another way of saying... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #78
Think about color. Jim__ Mar 2012 #18
Consciousness seems to be to be a primarily learned thing. MineralMan Mar 2012 #24
That's about how I feel about it- digonswine Mar 2012 #26
If you had ever done any serious meditation, for any length of time, Speck Tater Mar 2012 #43
Oh, dear... MineralMan Mar 2012 #44
You're welcome. Always glad to help. :) nt Speck Tater Mar 2012 #45
If I tell you I have meditated, that I know what you mean by when you talk about... Silent3 Apr 2012 #73
I think it's perfectly OK for two intelligent, well-informed people to disagree. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #74
Keep in mind that you said this... Silent3 Apr 2012 #75
Yes I did. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #76
yeah I dont think so qazplm Mar 2012 #70
Is your consciousness the same today as when you MineralMan Mar 2012 #71
The brain is a "radio"... RagAss Mar 2012 #61
I feel like you are using technical terms- digonswine Mar 2012 #65
Thank you. It was in keeping with the tone you set in your OP. RagAss Mar 2012 #67
Fine--I am usually more polite- digonswine Mar 2012 #69
Bad analogy aside, we're neither. laconicsax Mar 2012 #66
Why tama Apr 2012 #82
You're asking why I'm not making the same unsupported presuppositions you do. laconicsax Apr 2012 #83
Your bias tama Apr 2012 #85
What censorship are you talking about? FiveGoodMen Apr 2012 #86
Misuse of host's powers to lock discussions tama Apr 2012 #87
'Turn your radio on...' MineralMan Mar 2012 #72
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