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In reply to the discussion: What is so mysterious about human consciousness? [View all]Silent3
(15,909 posts)...the experience of awareness, that I know exactly how hard that is to put that experience into words, but that I still see no reason to insist that consciousness is a separate thing, to insist that it can't be "merely" an emergent quality of a biochemical brain... then what?
Are you then going to tell me that I must not have meditated enough, or that I haven't meditated in quite the right way yet?
I might not be able to explain "red" to a blind person, not it a way that they fully understand and appreciate the experience of redness, but I can make pretty clear analogies they can understand using, say, differences in pitch or odor or texture. I can explain how colors work as different frequencies of light and they way those differences interact with the human retina.
While I certainly understand that some things can only be properly understood through study and effort and experience, I am justifiably suspicious when anyone claims that some special innate ability or some tremendous effort or some large investment in time is an absolute barrier to gaining any appreciation of a thing.
So, we're just supposed to take it on faith the you do know what consciousness is, that if we don't reach the same conclusions about the nature of consciousness as you do, that this must be taken as a sign that we don't know as much as you do about it?
There are things a well-trained musician can do that most people can't do, but most people can still appreciate the fruit of the musician's effort -- maybe not quite as much as someone who has studied music so much, but more than enough to see that the training pays off, that there is fruit from that effort.
There are things a sighted person can do that blind people can't do, but most blind people can still appreciate the abilities of sighted people that they themselves lack. Sighted people can demonstrate in convincing ways that their sight produces results which blind people don't have to take on faith to believe in.
So, as one of the special people who've grasped consciousness in a way that many of the unwashed masses haven't, what can you show us that you can do that we can't do? What insights can you provide that demonstrate the fruit of your years of meditation effort?
Or will you just wave your hands, say, "If you don't want to believe me, fine!" or some other such dismissive comment? Is your insight into consciousness a "members only" insight for an insider's club, without a scrap of demonstrable fruit that non-insiders can appreciate without just taking it on faith?
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