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NullTuples

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20. I hear you, and agree wholeheartedly.
Sat Oct 8, 2022, 12:35 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Sat Oct 8, 2022, 04:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I was beat, shamed and ridiculed by my folks, extended families and subculture for being an autistic, ADHD, depressed and queer. Basically, I was just different, and treated as though I refused to change. But as far as I knew at the time, there were no names for being those things (there actually were & some people grew up supported for them). I was conditioned - groomed, if you will - to always assume other people's emotional and practical needs were important but mine were not even worth considering because I was "different".

There's a whole sub-area of study in Christianity that is solidly part of the history, but here's a very brief summary: God is perfect. Humans are a step removed from God (but still above all other animals) and thus flawed. Being flawed is due to sin. So, the further from the Glory (perfection) of God one is, the more flawed they are and thus the more "touched" by sin. This is the basis for Christians historically shunning & expressing superiority over: non-white races, disabled people, LGBTQ people, non-Christians, etc. - all are seen as morally corrupt because they are different. And different = sin. As I said this is only a brief summary; I spent a few semesters engrossed in the concepts from their side in college. And the more I did, the less their values appealed to me.

And through it all, Christianity was used by the entire subculture to lay the groundwork for and reinforce these attitudes. I attended Christian schools off & on through college but it wasn't until I met another autistic & fell in love and finally left my folks' world that I began - just barely started - to see the larger world differently. And by that I mean I started out needing to learn that everything my parents did and said was not necessarily the pinnacle of perfection, that there were in fact other legitimate ways to see and live in the world.

People who've not lived through it don't realize that when you live in that world, there are no words for so many things, only intentional shaming, anger and withholding of love. And without words for the things outside of that subculture, only negative feelings, there's really no way to conceptualize the larger objective world any differently than what you've been taught.

This, by the way, is what Democrats are up against with Republicans in America. It's mass brainwashing (pun intended) and with so much in our society supportive of it (from "In God We Trust" to the First Amendment & Supreme Court granting religious opinions special status over others), it will be extremely difficult to change their thinking without a society-sized movement to convince them they are in fact not better than everyone else. Like Trump, that's their Achilles' Heel.

That sucks. Sorry. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #1
Did you Rebl2 Oct 2022 #2
It took me awhile to stay away but now I'm in Arizona and happy. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2022 #30
Good! Rebl2 Oct 2022 #33
By age 14 I understood the hypocrisy of it all. Turn my back and never went back ashredux Oct 2022 #3
I'm so sorry for your childhood experiences and how they have shaped your life. Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #4
Too much of organized religion is about keeping women under men's thumbs dlk Oct 2022 #5
Sure looked that way from Catholic school. calimary Oct 2022 #9
My major was Natural Resource Management, AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2022 #28
You were ahead of the curve dlk Oct 2022 #29
Religion has traumatized so many people... I always wonder if they've harmed more than helped people LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #6
If you look at it anthropologically, religion made socialization possible among disparate groups. TigressDem Oct 2022 #26
I agree pamdb Oct 2022 #7
I agree too! mgardener Oct 2022 #22
Religion is like anything else in life William769 Oct 2022 #8
HOW MANY INNOCENT people have died because of religion? I say a least tax the churches. usaf-vet Oct 2022 #10
+1 Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #11
Read my sig line.nt Javaman Oct 2022 #12
Of real justice: lambchopp59 Oct 2022 #13
You're not alone! Had your church and family understood, taught and modeled the real Karadeniz Oct 2022 #14
I won't defend the 'religion' aspect stopdiggin Oct 2022 #15
They look up to his memory. But they carry their own issues that stems from him. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2022 #31
Plus you haven't touched the damage from religious hatred, murder, war, ignorance, oppression, ...nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #16
Likewise, as to the thinking about that... Backseat Driver Oct 2022 #17
I think we have all read stories like yours RussBLib Oct 2022 #18
I'm sorry! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2022 #19
I grew up in the Episcopal Church, but concluded at age 10 vlyons Oct 2022 #24
Agreed! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2022 #27
I hear you, and agree wholeheartedly. NullTuples Oct 2022 #20
So sorry to read this. SergeStorms Oct 2022 #21
Add that my father was a Baptist minister from a family of ministers.... Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2022 #32
Oh damn, so you had family history.... SergeStorms Oct 2022 #34
It's terrible when abusers use religion to white wash and justify abuse. TigressDem Oct 2022 #23
You pretty much wrote my paternal grandmother's biography there Warpy Oct 2022 #25
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