2016 Postmortem

Armymedic88

(251 posts)

9. So her plan is to tinker with the ACA....

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:04 AM

Jan 2016

Lets be honest here she has no plan either.... I just rummaged thru her website to find nothing but fluff when it comes to health care. Millions of Americans still cant afford to purchase health care on the open market and those people still go to the ER for medical treatment. Which we all still pay for and they pay for with their health. Look the ACA did a lot of good things but must continue to strive for a day when no one goes bankrupt because they get sick. Until Sec. Clinton has a plan for that to happen I will not support her or other Democrats who support her. Because thats the vision FDR had for America and our party over 50yrs ago.

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Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all [View all] Beacool Jan 2016 OP

It's a chimera. Congress will never pass it. His math is vague, too. MADem Jan 2016 #1

Ideologues work within a small area using broad strokes- KittyWampus Jan 2016 #47

Sounds like his too-big-to-fail bill. ucrdem Jan 2016 #2

As a Sanders supporter, I am sad to have to agree with Ezra Klein. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #3

It gives people a very good look at what to expect. Do all candidates release massive, completed in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #5

You're right, but I think he needs more evidence that what he is proposing can work. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #6

Why wouldn't it work? Kentonio Jan 2016 #17

Oh I think it *can* work, but it requires diligence to ensure that the plan put forward will. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #18

I don't disagree, but at this moment in time a huge policy document Kentonio Jan 2016 #19

+1. You're right. I just hope they have more specifics in mind, that this isn't the extent JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #23

I doubt this is the extent. Kentonio Jan 2016 #26

We are fortunate in that we can look at the many existing single payer plans to see what JDPriestly Jan 2016 #35

I assume you are kidding, right? mikehiggins Jan 2016 #25

No, I'm not kidding. Yes it answers HRC's disingenuous attacks. It does not completely satisfy me. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #27

Um... This is more than a "devil is in the details" scenario. Meldread Jan 2016 #29

If your claims are true, then why do France and the UK, just to cite two examples, JDPriestly Jan 2016 #31

They do deliver it for a fraction of the cost. Meldread Jan 2016 #37

By paying providers much less than we do Recursion Jan 2016 #41

France must have changed its plan. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #64

Perinatal care and some surgeries are exempt Recursion Jan 2016 #65

France enid602 Jan 2016 #52

I think the concept is what is important at this point Armstead Jan 2016 #45

Considering the fact this is Sanders wheelhouse and it's the best he can come up with? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #48

Can we at least wait until Robert Reich looks at it and not rely on Ezra Klein. draa Jan 2016 #8

Can someone brief me on why Ezra Klein is bad? I seem to have missed it. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #15

For one, he's not an economist as far as I know. draa Jan 2016 #22

I knew it was Ezra before I clicked the link. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #4

Hillary lost the debate on health care. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #7

No, she defended ACA and Sanders couldn't. That's a win for Hill. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #10

The audience gasped Kalidurga Jan 2016 #11

Indeed-- Bernie was powerful on healthcare, Hillary really flailed Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #46

Oh, she loves insurance companies leeching off of us! Do you too! Yay for you! cascadiance Jan 2016 #28

+1, Sanders WOULDN'T defend ACA... he didn't like it from the beginning. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #33

So her plan is to tinker with the ACA.... Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #9

Welcom to DU Kalidurga Jan 2016 #12

Thanks for the Welcome Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #14

If Clinton gets the Dem nomination, who will you support for Pres? uppityperson Jan 2016 #56

I will support progressive dems on the local level Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #57

That is good, and for Pres? uppityperson Jan 2016 #58

I honestly havent decided because that had yet to occur Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #61

If I were queen of the universe, things would be different. uppityperson Jan 2016 #62

I guess the question is if GP6971 Jan 2016 #59

"Puppies-and-rainbows approach". Yup, sounds familiar. (eom) oasis Jan 2016 #13

He addressed that during the debate AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #16

He posts on the sensible center.com? ejbr Jan 2016 #20

Gee, memory fails me Kall Jan 2016 #21

Obama promised savings of $2500 per family n/t MichMan Jan 2016 #44

Vermont proved that. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #24

The only reason that Bernie's plan seems vague is that those who criticize it have not JDPriestly Jan 2016 #30

The problem with this plan has nothing to do with it being vague. Meldread Jan 2016 #34

Yet European plans are cheaper than ours and far more generous. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #36

I am not saying that Single Payer isn't cheaper than the overall system we have right now. Meldread Jan 2016 #38

His plan does indeed cost 'essentially nothing' when compared to what we now have eridani Jan 2016 #40

That was snuffed out in the first line where employers were to pay 6.2% and not pass a dime of it .. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32

employers currently providing health insurance will on average be paying much less Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #43

So Hillary's plan is for the 28 million uninsured to fuck off and die? eridani Jan 2016 #39

No, it's not Hillary's plan. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #49

Considering the Sanders plan is pie in the sky underfunded nonsense mythology Jan 2016 #54

"Underfunding" is pure unadulterated horseshit. We are currently paying nearly twice-- eridani Jan 2016 #66

That's absurd!!! Beacool Jan 2016 #63

I'm sure glad you aren't trying to sell my used car for me. eridani Jan 2016 #67

wtf - it is almost identical to the bill he filed in 2013 in the senate and is a plan. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #42

HRC's "plan": 32 million Americans can just Fuck off and die. - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #50

Similar to his Too Big To Fail Bill. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #51

Ezra Klein is correct in his analysis Gothmog Jan 2016 #53

huge K&R taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #60