2016 Postmortem

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33. +1, Sanders WOULDN'T defend ACA... he didn't like it from the beginning.

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Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all [View all] Beacool Jan 2016 OP

It's a chimera. Congress will never pass it. His math is vague, too. MADem Jan 2016 #1

Ideologues work within a small area using broad strokes- KittyWampus Jan 2016 #47

Sounds like his too-big-to-fail bill. ucrdem Jan 2016 #2

As a Sanders supporter, I am sad to have to agree with Ezra Klein. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #3

It gives people a very good look at what to expect. Do all candidates release massive, completed in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #5

You're right, but I think he needs more evidence that what he is proposing can work. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #6

Why wouldn't it work? Kentonio Jan 2016 #17

Oh I think it *can* work, but it requires diligence to ensure that the plan put forward will. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #18

I don't disagree, but at this moment in time a huge policy document Kentonio Jan 2016 #19

+1. You're right. I just hope they have more specifics in mind, that this isn't the extent JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #23

I doubt this is the extent. Kentonio Jan 2016 #26

We are fortunate in that we can look at the many existing single payer plans to see what JDPriestly Jan 2016 #35

I assume you are kidding, right? mikehiggins Jan 2016 #25

No, I'm not kidding. Yes it answers HRC's disingenuous attacks. It does not completely satisfy me. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #27

Um... This is more than a "devil is in the details" scenario. Meldread Jan 2016 #29

If your claims are true, then why do France and the UK, just to cite two examples, JDPriestly Jan 2016 #31

They do deliver it for a fraction of the cost. Meldread Jan 2016 #37

By paying providers much less than we do Recursion Jan 2016 #41

France must have changed its plan. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #64

Perinatal care and some surgeries are exempt Recursion Jan 2016 #65

France enid602 Jan 2016 #52

I think the concept is what is important at this point Armstead Jan 2016 #45

Considering the fact this is Sanders wheelhouse and it's the best he can come up with? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #48

Can we at least wait until Robert Reich looks at it and not rely on Ezra Klein. draa Jan 2016 #8

Can someone brief me on why Ezra Klein is bad? I seem to have missed it. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #15

For one, he's not an economist as far as I know. draa Jan 2016 #22

I knew it was Ezra before I clicked the link. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #4

Hillary lost the debate on health care. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #7

No, she defended ACA and Sanders couldn't. That's a win for Hill. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #10

The audience gasped Kalidurga Jan 2016 #11

Indeed-- Bernie was powerful on healthcare, Hillary really flailed Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #46

Oh, she loves insurance companies leeching off of us! Do you too! Yay for you! cascadiance Jan 2016 #28

+1, Sanders WOULDN'T defend ACA... he didn't like it from the beginning. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #33

So her plan is to tinker with the ACA.... Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #9

Welcom to DU Kalidurga Jan 2016 #12

Thanks for the Welcome Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #14

If Clinton gets the Dem nomination, who will you support for Pres? uppityperson Jan 2016 #56

I will support progressive dems on the local level Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #57

That is good, and for Pres? uppityperson Jan 2016 #58

I honestly havent decided because that had yet to occur Armymedic88 Jan 2016 #61

If I were queen of the universe, things would be different. uppityperson Jan 2016 #62

I guess the question is if GP6971 Jan 2016 #59

"Puppies-and-rainbows approach". Yup, sounds familiar. (eom) oasis Jan 2016 #13

He addressed that during the debate AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #16

He posts on the sensible center.com? ejbr Jan 2016 #20

Gee, memory fails me Kall Jan 2016 #21

Obama promised savings of $2500 per family n/t MichMan Jan 2016 #44

Vermont proved that. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #24

The only reason that Bernie's plan seems vague is that those who criticize it have not JDPriestly Jan 2016 #30

The problem with this plan has nothing to do with it being vague. Meldread Jan 2016 #34

Yet European plans are cheaper than ours and far more generous. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #36

I am not saying that Single Payer isn't cheaper than the overall system we have right now. Meldread Jan 2016 #38

His plan does indeed cost 'essentially nothing' when compared to what we now have eridani Jan 2016 #40

That was snuffed out in the first line where employers were to pay 6.2% and not pass a dime of it .. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32

employers currently providing health insurance will on average be paying much less Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #43

So Hillary's plan is for the 28 million uninsured to fuck off and die? eridani Jan 2016 #39

No, it's not Hillary's plan. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #49

Considering the Sanders plan is pie in the sky underfunded nonsense mythology Jan 2016 #54

"Underfunding" is pure unadulterated horseshit. We are currently paying nearly twice-- eridani Jan 2016 #66

That's absurd!!! Beacool Jan 2016 #63

I'm sure glad you aren't trying to sell my used car for me. eridani Jan 2016 #67

wtf - it is almost identical to the bill he filed in 2013 in the senate and is a plan. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #42

HRC's "plan": 32 million Americans can just Fuck off and die. - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #50

Similar to his Too Big To Fail Bill. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #51

Ezra Klein is correct in his analysis Gothmog Jan 2016 #53

huge K&R taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #60