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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Black Voters in NH Unconvinced by Sanders [View all]Gothmog
(167,889 posts)88. The polling cited in OP is consistent with this polling
And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters and so maybe he needs to change what he is doing http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#
Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.
Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.
Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters and Sanders' current tactics are not evidently working.
Sanders will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters. Super Tuesday will be a long day for Sanders. Vermont is one of the last states with 90+% white voting populations
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She never promised to get a 'more progressive than Bernie' agenda through congress.
bravenak
Feb 2016
#12
Gosh you sound like me. I didn't realize I had a clone out there. Keep saying what you're saying.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#150
These same people supporting Sanders gave President Obama PURE HELL after he couldn't get
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#247
They want us to believe that after them treating the president like shit and the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#255
He's been saying those same things for the past 30 years. Chuck Todd of MTP did an interview
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#148
Or it means that he's an alarmist and you have to take what he says with a grain of salt.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#153
He sure has, but no one brings that up. Thank you so much for your posts.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#252
Also, all these folks are just opportunists looking for a job should Bernie actually win.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#125
I'll answer that. Hillary has a reputation of reaching across the aisle and working with others to
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#140
How condescending. I didn't tell you that you were stupid so I don't need you to tell me that I
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2016
#143
Bernie Sanders means shit to me because he knew how Obama has been treated for 8 years...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#254
So, who worked with Republicans to audit the fed and finally got one done?
cascadiance
Feb 2016
#326
He cries for a revolution...except for when it comes to us Negroes. We should just shut up
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#245
I'm of the opinion Bernie will not be able to work with a republican congress
itsrobert
Feb 2016
#319
Have you read about what Bill Clinton's crime bill did to African American men?
Punkingal
Feb 2016
#23
She was the First Lady...she supported his policies and she is running on being First lady.
Punkingal
Feb 2016
#26
Because the bill contained the Violence Against Women Act. (But, of course, you know this already)
Luminous Animal
Feb 2016
#49
So you could now be accusing him of voting against the Violence Against Women act instead?
Kentonio
Feb 2016
#79
He addressed it at the time he cast the vote. Why would anything have changed since then?
Kentonio
Feb 2016
#83
Why? You're asking a question that was answered years ago. What is the point of asking again?
Kentonio
Feb 2016
#97
I'm fairly sure he's been asked about it multiple times already during this campaign season.
Kentonio
Feb 2016
#111
I'm with bravenak, too. It doesn't matter to me, either. Carry on! :)
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#257
Yep. 'He needs to apologize' He needs to apologize for nothing. The record clearly shows he
Luminous Animal
Feb 2016
#216
I suppose if you really cared about that when it happened as opposed to just using it now
Jackie Wilson Said
Feb 2016
#179
Thank you so much for this. This is what we've all been trying to get through to these Sanders
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#258
Well, for starters, Reparations. Bernie Sanders claims to be a revolutionary on all accounts, except
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#274
I'll look at what he says at the think and go from there. Much appreciated.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#276
I don't give a damn about Hillary because she's not getting my vote anyway.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#330
Thank you for this post... excellent summation... it should be an OP.... nt
Blasphemer
Feb 2016
#311
At this point, any last-minute effort to appeal to NH's minority voters ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2016
#10
They need to understand and fully accept that black voters have ALWAYS been **strategic** voters...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#260
Which, of course, is the expectation that they would have others apply to them ...
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#286
I was wondering if you, or anyone, would be able to understand that ...
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#289
No one is calling Sanders a racist but there are valid reasons for lack of AA support for Sanders
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#165
I could not have written this any better. Bravo!! And thank you so much!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#262
Very reasonable. And if one cares anything about polls, the vast majority of Democrats like
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#273
wasn't she Bill's co-president? If memory serves Bill promised 2 for the price of 1
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#67
will take a while for Seniors who already have had their medicare & ss benefits for many years.
Sunlei
Feb 2016
#52
Too much anger and failure to acknowledge or accept that NO Democratic Party candidate
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#263
LOL!! I love you! It's so great to have you back. I think I'm a masochist for coming back to this
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#264
We have no problem telling southern whites they are voting against their interests
LittleBlue
Feb 2016
#135
How do lectures from white liberals on how we should view the world help sway anybody?
bravenak
Feb 2016
#147
Your identity matters to you, but apparently it's key in your decision process about others
LittleBlue
Feb 2016
#166
Identity politics has alway matters to white people, to Asian people, to Hispanic people...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#267
Rather than block or alert you, I decided not to stoop to your level. Rather,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#282
Please continue your arrogant rants against black voters. Keep at it. Then watch as Sanders'
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#265
I and my black brothers and sister will do whatever the fuck we want. Slavery is over!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#281
When Hillary sends her armies off to do the dirty work of Empire, just whom do you
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2016
#113
Let me know when Bernie polls better in diverse states and I'll consider him.
bravenak
Feb 2016
#183
If she wins and the prisons remain full, will you be proud of your posts? nt
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#246
That is why I said remain full. Bernie has promised to take on the prison insustry as one of his
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#300
There will be no link -- Sanders lost the PoC vote by 4% in NH. Very slim (but large MoE)
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#307