2016 Postmortem

randome

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126. How do you know it was 'reckless'? Were you sitting in on the deliberations with the Arab League,...

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:09 PM

Mar 2016

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...France and Britain?

It didn't turn out well, there's no denying that, but there's no telling what kind of 'bloodbath' Qaddafi was threatening at the time, either.

It's easy to play what-if? games but since the international community was pressing for military intervention, I don't see how you can call it 'reckless'.
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Newly Released Emails Confirm Clinton is to Blame for Libya Disaster [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

This email will be the game-changer Sanders supporters are looking for! Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #1

Maybe if the TV news wasn't a department of the Clinton campagin Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #6

Where have you been? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #10

They still seem to have a lot of influence Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #30

Yes, they certainly do. Duval Mar 2016 #46

Ain't that the truth !!! agracie Mar 2016 #25

Game changer? No. NWCorona Mar 2016 #8

ouch. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #98

Wow, the idea that she "turned Obama around on this" means Hillary *owns* the Libya policy. reformist2 Mar 2016 #101

Have you read her book? NWCorona Mar 2016 #104

Hillary's foreign policy disasters should be a huge topic in this election. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #111

How sweet. You think innocent people being slaughtered hifiguy Mar 2016 #15

Naw. It's pretty well known she sucks at handling foreign policy.... think Mar 2016 #54

It's all cumulative. And Trump will use this. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #74

No. I think HRC will win. I think she'll set the ME further on fire. delrem Mar 2016 #86

You laugh at your own peril nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #96

. Orrex Mar 2016 #97

These people don't worry about anything like that, or care about anything like that. delrem Mar 2016 #99

+1 to everything you've posted in this thread. closeupready Mar 2016 #151

She is going to be an epic disaster Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #2

Of Hindenburg/Titanic proportions. hifiguy Mar 2016 #13

She put rhe US on A fire sale Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #16

She owns Libya NWCorona Mar 2016 #3

Therefore, she owns ISIS... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #62

Of course she owns ISIS. Like the House of Saud owns ISIS. delrem Mar 2016 #105

War is good for Wall Street RobertEarl Mar 2016 #4

And how does that make you feel about Clinton supporter? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #79

well RobertEarl Mar 2016 #83

How old? I'm 61 and that's not old enough! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #84

Hillary Clinton, wrong on everything. Broward Mar 2016 #5

True. senz Mar 2016 #100

hillary: making isis what it is today in libya, syria, iraq, and beyond. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #7

She doesn't get enough credit for that Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #31

she aims to change that imo. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #37

She's a Kissinger fangirl. hifiguy Mar 2016 #9

Some of her supporters on DU would like us to believe SOS just does as POTUS says tk2kewl Mar 2016 #11

A problem is her private mail server, to do SOS business, excluded the gov't apparatus. delrem Mar 2016 #109

Excellent points dana_b Mar 2016 #116

Bravo indeed! ISIS needed another safehaven... datguy_6 Mar 2016 #12

+1000 amborin Mar 2016 #163

I would say that she is a disaster waiting to happen nichomachus Mar 2016 #14

kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #17

Nice to get a note like that from someone named Slaughter. Wilms Mar 2016 #18

I agree with Slaughter. Serial regime change is exhausting. HRC deserves a rest leveymg Mar 2016 #19

bravo H!!!! wendylaroux Mar 2016 #20

She is drenched in blood from this to her cluster bomb support Arazi Mar 2016 #21

.... rbrnmw Mar 2016 #22

Guess things aren't looking so rosy for Bernie today. zappaman Mar 2016 #23

I know it's sad rbrnmw Mar 2016 #28

Perhaps I missed the "fill in the blank" class ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #154

Wars have consequences. She loves "No-flies". Recipe for everything, incl. starving people in Syria. thereismore Mar 2016 #24

They always want to blow up other countries without regard to the consequences Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #36

K&R agracie Mar 2016 #26

you guys really are stretching it..... chillfactor Mar 2016 #27

Good grief... Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #29

What's your interpretation of the email? -nt Bradical79 Mar 2016 #39

Everyone wanted to play in Libya (and grab up their resources) ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #32

New Hillary Clinton Emails Show She Wanted Credit for Libya Intervention in 2011. Now She Doesn’t. UglyGreed Mar 2016 #33

That's interesting thanks. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #34

K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #35

Hillary's reckless bad judgement is the reason ISIS freely roams in Libya & Syria amborin Mar 2016 #38

Sad but true. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #40

A Khadaffy-less Libya is a better Libya Tarc Mar 2016 #41

Nice to see the Republicans don't have a monopoly on low information voters. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #42

Nice to see that there's Democrats who still know how to deal with foreign affairs Tarc Mar 2016 #43

Libya is in chaos. A failed state crawling with ISIS, Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #44

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #45

What is this, Neo-Con Underground? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #48

So we go from a problem that was contained nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #51

It was not contained, otherwise it would not be a problem Tarc Mar 2016 #64

Yes, it was contained nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #69

Agan, reading comprehension and a basic unawareness of reality Tarc Mar 2016 #89

Well let me see child, I will take the EMAILS, aka a primary source nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #92

Step 1 implies there's a step 2... Bradical79 Mar 2016 #59

You're really claiming an Libya with ISIS bases is better? jeff47 Mar 2016 #53

six of one, half a dozen of the other Tarc Mar 2016 #55

Well, Qaddafi was contained in Libya. ISIS isn't. jeff47 Mar 2016 #58

The point is whooshing over your head, I'm afraid Tarc Mar 2016 #61

Now you're just trolling Bradical79 Mar 2016 #68

You might want to read this link now nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #82

What The Fuck?? Arazi Mar 2016 #57

"the most progressive and prosperous North African nation" ? Tarc Mar 2016 #88

In comparison to what?? Fucking Sudan?? Arazi Mar 2016 #95

I just gave this person a link to the FOIA room nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #93

Clearly it's not -nt Bradical79 Mar 2016 #67

Before Hillary, Libya was the most advanced country in North Africa. bvar22 Mar 2016 #146

It was a gamble,maybe she thought three's the charm elmac Mar 2016 #47

K&R. nt Duval Mar 2016 #49

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #50

Ya. People love a tough leader who isn't afraid to use the military even if it the wrong thing to do think Mar 2016 #63

Dream on Politicalboi Mar 2016 #80

yes, and she is to blame for ISIS now in Libya and Syria, and the ME in chaos nt amborin Mar 2016 #52

K & R desmiller Mar 2016 #56

She is also to blame for the War of 1812 shenmue Mar 2016 #60

on the Experience question PatrynXX Mar 2016 #65

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #66

I must have made a wrong turn and ended up at Freeperville. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2016 #70

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #71

bulletin: PROOF HRC caused WWII... yeah, it's true, Yes it is. LOL! Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #72

You left out an I. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #90

Bookmarking for later. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #73

What were they working for???????????? hollowdweller Mar 2016 #75

From other material, yes I read it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #94

People are content to vote for incompetence Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #76

Maybe they just haven't followed this issue Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #113

Did I miss something? Eko Mar 2016 #77

Breaking: Hillary Clinton KILLED CHRIST!!! ... It's true --- Yeah, uh-huh. Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #78

They just hid that on you. Eko Mar 2016 #81

She was a complete failure as SOS. Vattel Mar 2016 #85

Foreign policy was supposed to be her strength. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #87

yup Vattel Mar 2016 #103

Hillary on Gadaffi: "We Came....We Saw.....He Died!...A Hearty Laugh... KoKo Mar 2016 #91

Not a game changer. ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #102

What country are you talking about and why Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #106

Im lame. ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #107

Oh Gotcha Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #108

K & R John Poet Mar 2016 #110

That's true I think it was in her book but this confirms it some more Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #112

So much for all of her "extensive experience"! dana_b Mar 2016 #114

She's the "most qualified" at creating terrorists Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #115

Yep! dana_b Mar 2016 #119

In this thread many Clinton loyalists still defending these policy disasters Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #120

How "Democratic" of them dana_b Mar 2016 #125

The international community was practically begging us to intervene in Libya. randome Mar 2016 #117

Turned out awesome huh? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #118

No, it did not. That's not the point. randome Mar 2016 #121

The point is reckless use of military power makes things much worse Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #123

How do you know it was 'reckless'? Were you sitting in on the deliberations with the Arab League,... randome Mar 2016 #126

Because the result is chaos, terrorism, a huge refugee crisis, and Africa flooded with US weapons Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #127

The result otherwise would have been chaos, terrorism and Qaddafi's promised 'bloodbath'. randome Mar 2016 #129

Qaddafi was a bad dude but he was no threat Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #131

The difference in Libya is night and day NWCorona Mar 2016 #133

The people he was about to 'bloodbath' might have disagreed that things were so good. randome Mar 2016 #159

And that is a valid point NWCorona Mar 2016 #160

What does "Turning POTUS around on this" mean? EndElectoral Mar 2016 #122

Convincing him to pursue a policy of regime change through force in Libya Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #124

So the assertion is Obama was reluctant to pursue regime change and the SOS "turned him around"? EndElectoral Mar 2016 #128

Exactly. She persuaded him to destroy Libya and now it is a terrorist chaos. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #135

But, fundamentally, do people care? EndElectoral Mar 2016 #137

I honestly think this may be Hillary's greatest weakness. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #156

What a simplistic crock Darb Mar 2016 #139

The facts really are not in dispute. It's in the New York Times. Hillary bragged about it. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #155

Baffling to me when people tout her 'experience'... she's made HORRIFIC mistakes. Unfit. AzDar Mar 2016 #130

Saw that email before. Obama should have stood up to the neocons, it was clear to most sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #132

I honestly think naming Clinton as Secretary of State was Obama's greatest error Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #134

The Libyans did not want the West to be peacekeepers applegrove Mar 2016 #136

They should have used the money to fix the water pipes in Michigan and Ohio instead Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #140

Another collosal shark jump. Darb Mar 2016 #138

This is the most legitimate issue possible. Hillary's foreign policy record is a major FAIL Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #141

You're joking aren't you, you kidder. Darb Mar 2016 #142

Care to explain how Libya is a success? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #143

Care to explain how Libya is the entire world? Darb Mar 2016 #144

We had to destroy the village to save it? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #145

One person's opinion. Darb Mar 2016 #147

This is based all on facts out of the New York Times 2 part special report Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #150

The bloodbath did take place and Hillary did take credit jeepers Mar 2016 #149

Just one more set of hearings and indictments Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #148

I think they already said they plan to do just that. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #157

THe only issue will be the Timing of it. Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #161

One of her supporters laughed at me when I said she lacked judgement, I think this proves me right. peacebird Mar 2016 #152

I hope it was just a case a horrible judgement, and not something worse like Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #153

And the sinking of the Titanic! whistler162 Mar 2016 #158

This Libya thing is true though Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #162