2016 Postmortem

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33. So I can take this post as a "no I can't refute the claim" post.

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:26 AM

Mar 2016

Name one of her accomplishments as SOS, and no, visiting the most countries and flying the most miles don't count. Below is one for you to start your counter argument.

Here's one of my problems with Hillary's tenure as SOS, please refute. Hillary advocated for a Syrian no fly zone which could potentially put us into a direct conflict with Russia. Discuss.

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Can we just be honest about why Hillary even got to be SOS... [View all] tk2kewl Mar 2016 OP

Unrec. Agschmid Mar 2016 #1

lot's of substantive discussion since you posted... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #41

... I'm sticking with my first impression. Agschmid Mar 2016 #44

don't let the facts get in the way tk2kewl Mar 2016 #51

"Facts"... Agschmid Mar 2016 #108

please feel free to post a Clinton foreign policy accomplishment we can all be proud of tk2kewl Mar 2016 #113

for some reason if we critique Hillary PatrynXX Mar 2016 #130

You will never get an answer to that from a Hillary supporter notadmblnd Mar 2016 #227

Just as substantive as the OP vdogg Mar 2016 #89

really... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #93

That's why I don't unrec SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #134

It's more substance than in your original comment. Next. themaguffin Mar 2016 #194

indeed tk2kewl Mar 2016 #195

but themaguffin Mar 2016 #200

Or, since you couldn't be troubled to offer any support for YOUR "argument", let's just ignore this. brooklynite Mar 2016 #2

She was horrible at it. Kissinger may beg to differ though. Broward Mar 2016 #3

Well, he would. pangaia Mar 2016 #72

And the MIC likes eternal war. jwirr Mar 2016 #135

"Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #244

LOL! Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #4

exactly what is wrong with the portrayal of Clinton as a good foreign policy choice tk2kewl Mar 2016 #42

Three opinion pieces, all "meaningful"? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #53

do you really have enough bullets to shoot all the messengers? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #71

Tell Naomi that "Hillary" has two of the letter l. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #105

It will be over for them shortly. Tommy2Tone Mar 2016 #145

That's the kind of in-depth rebuttal for which Hillary's supporters have become famous. Marr Mar 2016 #184

You want an in-depth rebuttal of a tweet? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #186

I was thinking more along the lines of the thread's topic. Marr Mar 2016 #188

I took issue with a specific comment, and I responded. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #189

So you have nothing on the thread's topic then. Got it. Marr Mar 2016 #191

that poster will go on my hide list after this thread dies tk2kewl Mar 2016 #193

Why wait? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #237

k tk2kewl Mar 2016 #238

bye bye! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #240

Are you seriously contesting that Hillary Clinton is a neocon? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #83

the poster is not contesting anything... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #86

But the founder of the neocon movement endorsed Hillary last week CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #102

prediction: tk2kewl Mar 2016 #103

I'm predicting crickets on this one. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #100

I mean...my blood curdles when I think about the neocon founder endorsing Hillary CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #106

And HRC treats Kagan's endorsement in the same way Drumpf has treated David Duke's. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #138

But Hillary Clinton's hand-picked Kagan as one of her advisers while she was Secretary of State CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #143

Not at all. She's never met a war monger she hasn't liked. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #150

The dirty secret of DU is that apparently we were not all united in principles Hydra Mar 2016 #243

Neolib yes neocon kinda Gwhittey Mar 2016 #107

OH, there's so much more! So, so much more! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #117

If you're asking if I'm unconvinced that the DU Sanders crowd thinks HRC is a neocon... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #110

Flop sweat desperation Loki Mar 2016 #119

I'd like to know how you feel about Hillary being endorsed by Kagan, the neocon founder? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #128

Because even with the horiffic possibility of Loki Mar 2016 #177

But the neocons were in Hillary's camp way before Trump arrived on the scene CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #197

Do you actually think that by dismissing every person that might disagree Loki Mar 2016 #206

Your points are well taken and dead on. Unfortunately, we're outnumber by about 7-1 right now. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #132

Clearly, you've been presented with facts. I've spent a great deal of time and effort CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #164

Your "facts" are laced with opinion. So are mine. We've come to different conclusions. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #166

I am not stating opinion. I've laid out facts. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #171

Kagan did NOT endorse Hillary for president. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #178

Do you have any comment on Robert Kagan endorsing Hillary? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #123

Ok. I'll bite. Who is that? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #133

Robert Kagan founded PNAC--he hatched the neocon, war movement. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #141

Hm. So, Kagan says he'd be forced to vote for Hillary if Trump is the nominee. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #142

Kagan has praised Hillary's foreign policy stances CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #155

Well, Kagan and I agree on one thing and disagree on another: Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #163

It's clear that Hillary is helping the neocons CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #170

When I think of all the millions of lives destroyed by PNAC it turns my stomach. polly7 Mar 2016 #154

Yes, there is absolutely no way to justify this, but I am hoping as more learn CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #162

Do you have any comment about Obama knowing Bill Ayers? Loki Mar 2016 #210

Obama didn't appoint Bill Ayers as his Middle East adviser when he became President CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #222

Really? Loki Mar 2016 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2016 #185

Please show me where Senator Sanders has called Hillary a neocon. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #228

I did not say that. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #229

Then how did this sentence get in your post? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #230

The subject of the sentence is "The Nation," not "the guy" Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #235

The Nation isn't calling Hillary Clinton a neocon either. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #236

The original title called Hillary a neocon. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #239

If I had time this morning, I'd look this up. noamnety Mar 2016 #5

That's not a terribly difficult thing to do AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #129

While I'm not disagreeing with your point noamnety Mar 2016 #192

HRC was given SOS to set her up for a 2nd run at POTUS... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #242

That Rice has such a resume AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #250

a valid point, and you and I might believe that noamnety Mar 2016 #266

Her "experience" as SOS was an unmitigated disaster AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #271

These kind of comments feel creepy. FarPoint Mar 2016 #6

Totally. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11

Said in your best madokie Mar 2016 #15

what i find creepy is padding one's resume with death. eom. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #50

They are proud of her accomplishments. Broward Mar 2016 #52

maybe... but i'm not sure tk2kewl Mar 2016 #90

I forgot the sarcasm tag. Broward Mar 2016 #99

I find this tone of discussion disheartening. FarPoint Mar 2016 #144

do you like the tone of Hillary's statements in the video... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #146

I decline to watch Fox News propaganda. FarPoint Mar 2016 #148

It's CBS tk2kewl Mar 2016 #153

Remains propaganda for fodder. FarPoint Mar 2016 #156

an interview of your candidate expressing her own thoughts is propaganda? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #157

Like I said, no thank you. FarPoint Mar 2016 #160

Stay blind, my friend. nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #263

I'm voting for Hillary Clinton... FarPoint Mar 2016 #265

"adds nothing to the true mission of having a Democratic President elected" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #64

+1 Paka Mar 2016 #111

+2 oldandhappy Mar 2016 #176

Branding is exactly the right word Fairgo Mar 2016 #213

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say!! dana_b Mar 2016 #215

So, you're a party over purpose person then? Bubzer Mar 2016 #122

I am genuinely feeling bad for our opponents as they are reduced to this... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #7

So I can take this post as a "no I can't refute the claim" post. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #33

It would seem so. bvf Mar 2016 #104

Both Condi and Kerry have flown more miles karynnj Mar 2016 #198

I never will understand that tularetom Mar 2016 #8

This was pm'd to me by another DUer... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #23

I completely aree with that sentiment.. disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #31

A fine example edgineered Mar 2016 #46

The deal was made during the June meeting in Georgetown when Obama slipped off the plane leveymg Mar 2016 #48

Not to mention eggman67 Mar 2016 #58

Yes. Follow the tax-free money. leveymg Mar 2016 #59

Yes, I remember it this way too n/t BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #199

That was my take on it also. Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #82

Agree!!! TxGrandpa Mar 2016 #120

He held all the cards, but she got exactly what she wanted tularetom Mar 2016 #175

He recognized he did not have all the cards.- she represented the only threat of an in party karynnj Mar 2016 #202

These are good points, especially how the Clintons wound up coming to Obama's rescue at times Hydra Mar 2016 #245

Obama probably felt badly since he had beat her in the election so badly..LOL..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #9

Or was his arm twisted? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #20

No doubt in my mind. So many other better choices..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #22

...when she ran on her husband's record, no less. cprise Mar 2016 #87

He beat her so badly? Beacool Mar 2016 #256

This is disgusting. Doesn't merit an explanation . n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #10

Instead of being outraged we should be magnanimous and forgiving. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #13

Preposterous JohnnyLib2 Mar 2016 #12

This constant need to degenerate Clinton's successes will be sufrommich Mar 2016 #14

Simply attaining the position is not a meaningful success tk2kewl Mar 2016 #16

When did Hillary Clinton say "it's my turn" ? sufrommich Mar 2016 #18

She didn't say so publicly. But do you think Obama really thought she was his best option? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #19

In other words,it's a fake quote designed to paint her sufrommich Mar 2016 #24

read into it whatever makes you feel better... Do you think GWB would have been a good choice? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #32

It gets even 'better' cprise Mar 2016 #80

No one thinks she literally said "it's my turn" Bradical79 Mar 2016 #115

I was a Dem in upsate NY Gwhittey Mar 2016 #139

It's over for Bernie Renew Deal Mar 2016 #28

so more neocon foreign policy then, i guess tk2kewl Mar 2016 #35

They aren't Democrats, they never were. Loki Mar 2016 #212

Oh noes! Big tent got smaller! Someone said we aren't here! Hydra Mar 2016 #246

It's called frustration. Beacool Mar 2016 #258

She was pretty bad at it. bigwillq Mar 2016 #17

The Clinton's still controlled wide swaths of the Dem establishment after losing the primary FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #21

Of course that's your theory. sufrommich Mar 2016 #25

what's your theory? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #26

My theory is that Obama respected her intelligence and sufrommich Mar 2016 #30

even though he campaigned against her on iraq? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #34

Because she is the single most respected and admired woman in the world? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #27

"How does it get to be ones turn to be SOS?" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #37

... "The American Conservative" Agschmid Mar 2016 #43

how about the nation, salon, NY Times, truth-out, forbes, etc, etc... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #47

This poster loves them some RW sources. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #136

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #137

"You're just attacking the messenger". Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #140

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #201

first paragraph from your link tk2kewl Mar 2016 #209

That woman is Angela Merkel, not Hillary Clinton. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #55

Link? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #62

That poll is Americans-only. We were talking worldwide, I believe? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #67

Yes SheenaR Mar 2016 #181

Of course. senz Mar 2016 #260

Not any more, it isn't. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #66

It's rare for any European politician to win four elections in a row. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #70

Just using that prediction to illustrate her drop in popularity. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #77

But tellingly: the dissatisfaction comes from the right. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #85

Not entirely. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #91

I think you mean that her unpopularity with the left has been a constant Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #131

Is she really the most qualified in terms of foreign policy experience? Armstead Mar 2016 #61

Are we talking about now or 2008? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #69

Clinton had stronger credentials and interests in other areas Armstead Mar 2016 #76

YOU WANTED HILLARY TO DO WOMEN'S WORK? aquart Mar 2016 #207

nonsense, look at her past those were her interest areas karynnj Mar 2016 #269

kerry was among the most qualified after about 20 years karynnj Mar 2016 #268

what qualities and achievements do people cite when deciding such a thing? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #78

Really? polly7 Mar 2016 #84

Lol, she certainly was a disaster when it came to Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Vattel Mar 2016 #29

Iraq... see #32 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #36

Even critics understate how catastrophically bad the Hillary Clinton-led NATO bombing of Libya was coyote Mar 2016 #38

"Hillary-led" ... LOL BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #109

? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #149

Pardon? Who wants to have it both ways, again? Marr Mar 2016 #208

She certainly wasn't "a quiet little BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #218

I have seen no one claim that Hillary Clinton dictated foreign policy by fiat. Marr Mar 2016 #225

Sheesh - that's been the whole specious argument BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #234

She did very well as SoS JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #39

and the sorry state of our politics... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #40

yes she did - particularly since she came in after 8 years of fumbled foreign policy from bush DrDan Mar 2016 #57

cite a Clinton foreign policy achievement you are proud of tk2kewl Mar 2016 #81

how about letting these folks speak DrDan Mar 2016 #161

no snark... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #167

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #45

lol tk2kewl Mar 2016 #75

A Better Question -- Why wasn't she appointed to something more in line with her experience? Armstead Mar 2016 #49

Resume. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #60

Yep. She got to burnish her resume for the election....at our expense Armstead Mar 2016 #63

ours and many others expense around the globe tk2kewl Mar 2016 #74

Not as prestigious. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #68

Selling fracking in the wide world alone was disastrous. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #54

Right. Because SOS's routinely run the world behind the President's back. randome Mar 2016 #79

"We came, we saw, he died" Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #88

It was Obama's call, not hers. He is a very smart man not given to manipulation. randome Mar 2016 #159

You mean he decided to jump back on the fence about gay rights all by himself? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #173

No, I mean he's Commander In Chief, not Clinton. randome Mar 2016 #211

Let's keep it that way, especially the "not Clinton" part. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #223

The ones aligned with Kissenger probably do tk2kewl Mar 2016 #98

Her job was to advise Obama. You make a common mistake when you take someone else's words... randome Mar 2016 #121

seemed she was quite pleased with killing Qaddafi tk2kewl Mar 2016 #126

I've posted my take on her 'glee' with killing Qaddafi before. randome Mar 2016 #151

Yeah, I beleive her tenure as SOS was abysmal. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #56

Unrec, so sick of right wing trolls running amok on this board with their garbage. Pisces Mar 2016 #65

. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #73

Wait Gwhittey Mar 2016 #158

+1! What makes BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #219

Hear, hear!!!! Beacool Mar 2016 #257

That's because many are Repubs in sheep's clothing or just bots. It's crazy the right wing Pisces Mar 2016 #270

Obama wanted to be assured that he INdemo Mar 2016 #92

"Bill Clinton wanted her to challenge Obama even as SOS" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #95

Well, apparently she did challenge Obama on Libya if the latest emails released by the FBI are true. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #179

yup tk2kewl Mar 2016 #180

Do you remember when Hill went missing, before she conceded to Obama! peace13 Mar 2016 #94

No rock Mar 2016 #96

"No we can't" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #101

"Can we just be honest about why Hillary even got to be SOS..." rock Mar 2016 #172

I never thought about it that way- you're brilliant! Hydra Mar 2016 #247

It was a price for supporting Obama at the convention in 2008. He paid thereismore Mar 2016 #97

Republicans in the senate who confirmed her... jcgoldie Mar 2016 #112

According to my peeps on the inside Chalco Mar 2016 #114

really?... tell us what your inside peeps have to say tk2kewl Mar 2016 #116

Organized, compassionate, practical, open to discussion, open to viewpoints, good listener, etc. etc Chalco Mar 2016 #214

can you be honest azureblue Mar 2016 #118

nice counter argument tk2kewl Mar 2016 #124

Not worth the hide, don't take the bait. Agschmid Mar 2016 #125

Obama and Hillary made this deal so he could get her delegates and win the nomination Arazi Mar 2016 #127

History has tried hard to teach us that we can’t have good government under politicians. Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #147

her foreign policy successes FreedomRain Mar 2016 #152

Cool allegations. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #165

the op was deliberately provocative... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #168

So Gwhittey Mar 2016 #169

171 Replies SheenaR Mar 2016 #174

neolib economy, neocon war, full steam ahead! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #187

Out of those 2 replies, 1 was simply a recitation of praise for HRC Arazi Mar 2016 #203

K/R UglyGreed Mar 2016 #182

looks like i hit a nerve tk2kewl Mar 2016 #183

Playing her song artislife Mar 2016 #190

Truth to power, baby! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #196

The real cause is imperialism. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #204

and the only american politician with the guts to call this shit out: tk2kewl Mar 2016 #205

Don't forget her role in the Honduran coup Arazi Mar 2016 #216

I saw John Perkins talk about imperialism on the Thom Hartmann Show. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #224

"Little Miss Shortcuts." closeupready Mar 2016 #217

Very cheap shot! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #221

Others were better qualified. moondust Mar 2016 #220

It's almost certain it was a horse trade Hydra Mar 2016 #248

I think she was given the position for endorsing Obama after she bowed out of the 2008 race. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #226

Simplistic peevishness. randome Mar 2016 #231

You think it's more complicated than that? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #232

Assassination of environmental activist in Honduras and Hillary's record there... Gmak Mar 2016 #241

Anyone remember the news silence after Qaddafi was killed? virgista Mar 2016 #249

What bullshit Hekate Mar 2016 #251

Evidence for the news blackout: blank looks from friends and family when you mention Libya debacle virgista Mar 2016 #255

So you saying Obama has poor judgement. Historic NY Mar 2016 #252

The caul fell from my eyes in 2010 when he and Boehner tried to cut Social Security. virgista Mar 2016 #261

"Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." senz Mar 2016 #253

I was headed to the bottom of this thread to say exactly this Samantha Mar 2016 #262

Yes, I'm sure of it, too. senz Mar 2016 #264

Yawn....... Beacool Mar 2016 #254

The workers liked her. HassleCat Mar 2016 #259

K&R for the discussion this OP generated. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #267

Let's be even more honest about her national career. Orsino Mar 2016 #272

Actually, it was John Kerry's turn Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #273