2016 Postmortem

moondust

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220. Others were better qualified.

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:21 PM

Mar 2016

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As I've posted before, I'm not aware of HRC speaking any foreign languages or having any particular background or interest in international relations/diplomacy before taking the SOS job. Quite a few other Americans did have those things.

I suspect it was strictly a political consolation prize to unite the party and give her resume a boost for any future campaign. It's *possible* that the Clinton machine demanded it in exchange for their support.

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Can we just be honest about why Hillary even got to be SOS... [View all] tk2kewl Mar 2016 OP

Unrec. Agschmid Mar 2016 #1

lot's of substantive discussion since you posted... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #41

... I'm sticking with my first impression. Agschmid Mar 2016 #44

don't let the facts get in the way tk2kewl Mar 2016 #51

"Facts"... Agschmid Mar 2016 #108

please feel free to post a Clinton foreign policy accomplishment we can all be proud of tk2kewl Mar 2016 #113

for some reason if we critique Hillary PatrynXX Mar 2016 #130

You will never get an answer to that from a Hillary supporter notadmblnd Mar 2016 #227

Just as substantive as the OP vdogg Mar 2016 #89

really... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #93

That's why I don't unrec SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #134

It's more substance than in your original comment. Next. themaguffin Mar 2016 #194

indeed tk2kewl Mar 2016 #195

but themaguffin Mar 2016 #200

Or, since you couldn't be troubled to offer any support for YOUR "argument", let's just ignore this. brooklynite Mar 2016 #2

She was horrible at it. Kissinger may beg to differ though. Broward Mar 2016 #3

Well, he would. pangaia Mar 2016 #72

And the MIC likes eternal war. jwirr Mar 2016 #135

"Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #244

LOL! Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #4

exactly what is wrong with the portrayal of Clinton as a good foreign policy choice tk2kewl Mar 2016 #42

Three opinion pieces, all "meaningful"? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #53

do you really have enough bullets to shoot all the messengers? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #71

Tell Naomi that "Hillary" has two of the letter l. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #105

It will be over for them shortly. Tommy2Tone Mar 2016 #145

That's the kind of in-depth rebuttal for which Hillary's supporters have become famous. Marr Mar 2016 #184

You want an in-depth rebuttal of a tweet? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #186

I was thinking more along the lines of the thread's topic. Marr Mar 2016 #188

I took issue with a specific comment, and I responded. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #189

So you have nothing on the thread's topic then. Got it. Marr Mar 2016 #191

that poster will go on my hide list after this thread dies tk2kewl Mar 2016 #193

Why wait? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #237

k tk2kewl Mar 2016 #238

bye bye! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #240

Are you seriously contesting that Hillary Clinton is a neocon? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #83

the poster is not contesting anything... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #86

But the founder of the neocon movement endorsed Hillary last week CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #102

prediction: tk2kewl Mar 2016 #103

I'm predicting crickets on this one. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #100

I mean...my blood curdles when I think about the neocon founder endorsing Hillary CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #106

And HRC treats Kagan's endorsement in the same way Drumpf has treated David Duke's. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #138

But Hillary Clinton's hand-picked Kagan as one of her advisers while she was Secretary of State CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #143

Not at all. She's never met a war monger she hasn't liked. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #150

The dirty secret of DU is that apparently we were not all united in principles Hydra Mar 2016 #243

Neolib yes neocon kinda Gwhittey Mar 2016 #107

OH, there's so much more! So, so much more! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #117

If you're asking if I'm unconvinced that the DU Sanders crowd thinks HRC is a neocon... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #110

Flop sweat desperation Loki Mar 2016 #119

I'd like to know how you feel about Hillary being endorsed by Kagan, the neocon founder? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #128

Because even with the horiffic possibility of Loki Mar 2016 #177

But the neocons were in Hillary's camp way before Trump arrived on the scene CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #197

Do you actually think that by dismissing every person that might disagree Loki Mar 2016 #206

Your points are well taken and dead on. Unfortunately, we're outnumber by about 7-1 right now. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #132

Clearly, you've been presented with facts. I've spent a great deal of time and effort CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #164

Your "facts" are laced with opinion. So are mine. We've come to different conclusions. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #166

I am not stating opinion. I've laid out facts. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #171

Kagan did NOT endorse Hillary for president. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #178

Do you have any comment on Robert Kagan endorsing Hillary? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #123

Ok. I'll bite. Who is that? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #133

Robert Kagan founded PNAC--he hatched the neocon, war movement. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #141

Hm. So, Kagan says he'd be forced to vote for Hillary if Trump is the nominee. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #142

Kagan has praised Hillary's foreign policy stances CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #155

Well, Kagan and I agree on one thing and disagree on another: Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #163

It's clear that Hillary is helping the neocons CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #170

When I think of all the millions of lives destroyed by PNAC it turns my stomach. polly7 Mar 2016 #154

Yes, there is absolutely no way to justify this, but I am hoping as more learn CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #162

Do you have any comment about Obama knowing Bill Ayers? Loki Mar 2016 #210

Obama didn't appoint Bill Ayers as his Middle East adviser when he became President CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #222

Really? Loki Mar 2016 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2016 #185

Please show me where Senator Sanders has called Hillary a neocon. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #228

I did not say that. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #229

Then how did this sentence get in your post? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #230

The subject of the sentence is "The Nation," not "the guy" Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #235

The Nation isn't calling Hillary Clinton a neocon either. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #236

The original title called Hillary a neocon. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #239

If I had time this morning, I'd look this up. noamnety Mar 2016 #5

That's not a terribly difficult thing to do AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #129

While I'm not disagreeing with your point noamnety Mar 2016 #192

HRC was given SOS to set her up for a 2nd run at POTUS... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #242

That Rice has such a resume AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #250

a valid point, and you and I might believe that noamnety Mar 2016 #266

Her "experience" as SOS was an unmitigated disaster AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #271

These kind of comments feel creepy. FarPoint Mar 2016 #6

Totally. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11

Said in your best madokie Mar 2016 #15

what i find creepy is padding one's resume with death. eom. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #50

They are proud of her accomplishments. Broward Mar 2016 #52

maybe... but i'm not sure tk2kewl Mar 2016 #90

I forgot the sarcasm tag. Broward Mar 2016 #99

I find this tone of discussion disheartening. FarPoint Mar 2016 #144

do you like the tone of Hillary's statements in the video... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #146

I decline to watch Fox News propaganda. FarPoint Mar 2016 #148

It's CBS tk2kewl Mar 2016 #153

Remains propaganda for fodder. FarPoint Mar 2016 #156

an interview of your candidate expressing her own thoughts is propaganda? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #157

Like I said, no thank you. FarPoint Mar 2016 #160

Stay blind, my friend. nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #263

I'm voting for Hillary Clinton... FarPoint Mar 2016 #265

"adds nothing to the true mission of having a Democratic President elected" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #64

+1 Paka Mar 2016 #111

+2 oldandhappy Mar 2016 #176

Branding is exactly the right word Fairgo Mar 2016 #213

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say!! dana_b Mar 2016 #215

So, you're a party over purpose person then? Bubzer Mar 2016 #122

I am genuinely feeling bad for our opponents as they are reduced to this... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #7

So I can take this post as a "no I can't refute the claim" post. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #33

It would seem so. bvf Mar 2016 #104

Both Condi and Kerry have flown more miles karynnj Mar 2016 #198

I never will understand that tularetom Mar 2016 #8

This was pm'd to me by another DUer... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #23

I completely aree with that sentiment.. disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #31

A fine example edgineered Mar 2016 #46

The deal was made during the June meeting in Georgetown when Obama slipped off the plane leveymg Mar 2016 #48

Not to mention eggman67 Mar 2016 #58

Yes. Follow the tax-free money. leveymg Mar 2016 #59

Yes, I remember it this way too n/t BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #199

That was my take on it also. Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #82

Agree!!! TxGrandpa Mar 2016 #120

He held all the cards, but she got exactly what she wanted tularetom Mar 2016 #175

He recognized he did not have all the cards.- she represented the only threat of an in party karynnj Mar 2016 #202

These are good points, especially how the Clintons wound up coming to Obama's rescue at times Hydra Mar 2016 #245

Obama probably felt badly since he had beat her in the election so badly..LOL..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #9

Or was his arm twisted? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #20

No doubt in my mind. So many other better choices..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #22

...when she ran on her husband's record, no less. cprise Mar 2016 #87

He beat her so badly? Beacool Mar 2016 #256

This is disgusting. Doesn't merit an explanation . n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #10

Instead of being outraged we should be magnanimous and forgiving. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #13

Preposterous JohnnyLib2 Mar 2016 #12

This constant need to degenerate Clinton's successes will be sufrommich Mar 2016 #14

Simply attaining the position is not a meaningful success tk2kewl Mar 2016 #16

When did Hillary Clinton say "it's my turn" ? sufrommich Mar 2016 #18

She didn't say so publicly. But do you think Obama really thought she was his best option? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #19

In other words,it's a fake quote designed to paint her sufrommich Mar 2016 #24

read into it whatever makes you feel better... Do you think GWB would have been a good choice? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #32

It gets even 'better' cprise Mar 2016 #80

No one thinks she literally said "it's my turn" Bradical79 Mar 2016 #115

I was a Dem in upsate NY Gwhittey Mar 2016 #139

It's over for Bernie Renew Deal Mar 2016 #28

so more neocon foreign policy then, i guess tk2kewl Mar 2016 #35

They aren't Democrats, they never were. Loki Mar 2016 #212

Oh noes! Big tent got smaller! Someone said we aren't here! Hydra Mar 2016 #246

It's called frustration. Beacool Mar 2016 #258

She was pretty bad at it. bigwillq Mar 2016 #17

The Clinton's still controlled wide swaths of the Dem establishment after losing the primary FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #21

Of course that's your theory. sufrommich Mar 2016 #25

what's your theory? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #26

My theory is that Obama respected her intelligence and sufrommich Mar 2016 #30

even though he campaigned against her on iraq? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #34

Because she is the single most respected and admired woman in the world? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #27

"How does it get to be ones turn to be SOS?" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #37

... "The American Conservative" Agschmid Mar 2016 #43

how about the nation, salon, NY Times, truth-out, forbes, etc, etc... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #47

This poster loves them some RW sources. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #136

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #137

"You're just attacking the messenger". Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #140

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #201

first paragraph from your link tk2kewl Mar 2016 #209

That woman is Angela Merkel, not Hillary Clinton. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #55

Link? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #62

That poll is Americans-only. We were talking worldwide, I believe? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #67

Yes SheenaR Mar 2016 #181

Of course. senz Mar 2016 #260

Not any more, it isn't. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #66

It's rare for any European politician to win four elections in a row. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #70

Just using that prediction to illustrate her drop in popularity. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #77

But tellingly: the dissatisfaction comes from the right. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #85

Not entirely. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #91

I think you mean that her unpopularity with the left has been a constant Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #131

Is she really the most qualified in terms of foreign policy experience? Armstead Mar 2016 #61

Are we talking about now or 2008? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #69

Clinton had stronger credentials and interests in other areas Armstead Mar 2016 #76

YOU WANTED HILLARY TO DO WOMEN'S WORK? aquart Mar 2016 #207

nonsense, look at her past those were her interest areas karynnj Mar 2016 #269

kerry was among the most qualified after about 20 years karynnj Mar 2016 #268

what qualities and achievements do people cite when deciding such a thing? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #78

Really? polly7 Mar 2016 #84

Lol, she certainly was a disaster when it came to Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Vattel Mar 2016 #29

Iraq... see #32 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #36

Even critics understate how catastrophically bad the Hillary Clinton-led NATO bombing of Libya was coyote Mar 2016 #38

"Hillary-led" ... LOL BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #109

? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #149

Pardon? Who wants to have it both ways, again? Marr Mar 2016 #208

She certainly wasn't "a quiet little BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #218

I have seen no one claim that Hillary Clinton dictated foreign policy by fiat. Marr Mar 2016 #225

Sheesh - that's been the whole specious argument BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #234

She did very well as SoS JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #39

and the sorry state of our politics... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #40

yes she did - particularly since she came in after 8 years of fumbled foreign policy from bush DrDan Mar 2016 #57

cite a Clinton foreign policy achievement you are proud of tk2kewl Mar 2016 #81

how about letting these folks speak DrDan Mar 2016 #161

no snark... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #167

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #45

lol tk2kewl Mar 2016 #75

A Better Question -- Why wasn't she appointed to something more in line with her experience? Armstead Mar 2016 #49

Resume. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #60

Yep. She got to burnish her resume for the election....at our expense Armstead Mar 2016 #63

ours and many others expense around the globe tk2kewl Mar 2016 #74

Not as prestigious. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #68

Selling fracking in the wide world alone was disastrous. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #54

Right. Because SOS's routinely run the world behind the President's back. randome Mar 2016 #79

"We came, we saw, he died" Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #88

It was Obama's call, not hers. He is a very smart man not given to manipulation. randome Mar 2016 #159

You mean he decided to jump back on the fence about gay rights all by himself? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #173

No, I mean he's Commander In Chief, not Clinton. randome Mar 2016 #211

Let's keep it that way, especially the "not Clinton" part. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #223

The ones aligned with Kissenger probably do tk2kewl Mar 2016 #98

Her job was to advise Obama. You make a common mistake when you take someone else's words... randome Mar 2016 #121

seemed she was quite pleased with killing Qaddafi tk2kewl Mar 2016 #126

I've posted my take on her 'glee' with killing Qaddafi before. randome Mar 2016 #151

Yeah, I beleive her tenure as SOS was abysmal. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #56

Unrec, so sick of right wing trolls running amok on this board with their garbage. Pisces Mar 2016 #65

. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #73

Wait Gwhittey Mar 2016 #158

+1! What makes BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #219

Hear, hear!!!! Beacool Mar 2016 #257

That's because many are Repubs in sheep's clothing or just bots. It's crazy the right wing Pisces Mar 2016 #270

Obama wanted to be assured that he INdemo Mar 2016 #92

"Bill Clinton wanted her to challenge Obama even as SOS" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #95

Well, apparently she did challenge Obama on Libya if the latest emails released by the FBI are true. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #179

yup tk2kewl Mar 2016 #180

Do you remember when Hill went missing, before she conceded to Obama! peace13 Mar 2016 #94

No rock Mar 2016 #96

"No we can't" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #101

"Can we just be honest about why Hillary even got to be SOS..." rock Mar 2016 #172

I never thought about it that way- you're brilliant! Hydra Mar 2016 #247

It was a price for supporting Obama at the convention in 2008. He paid thereismore Mar 2016 #97

Republicans in the senate who confirmed her... jcgoldie Mar 2016 #112

According to my peeps on the inside Chalco Mar 2016 #114

really?... tell us what your inside peeps have to say tk2kewl Mar 2016 #116

Organized, compassionate, practical, open to discussion, open to viewpoints, good listener, etc. etc Chalco Mar 2016 #214

can you be honest azureblue Mar 2016 #118

nice counter argument tk2kewl Mar 2016 #124

Not worth the hide, don't take the bait. Agschmid Mar 2016 #125

Obama and Hillary made this deal so he could get her delegates and win the nomination Arazi Mar 2016 #127

History has tried hard to teach us that we can’t have good government under politicians. Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #147

her foreign policy successes FreedomRain Mar 2016 #152

Cool allegations. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #165

the op was deliberately provocative... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #168

So Gwhittey Mar 2016 #169

171 Replies SheenaR Mar 2016 #174

neolib economy, neocon war, full steam ahead! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #187

Out of those 2 replies, 1 was simply a recitation of praise for HRC Arazi Mar 2016 #203

K/R UglyGreed Mar 2016 #182

looks like i hit a nerve tk2kewl Mar 2016 #183

Playing her song artislife Mar 2016 #190

Truth to power, baby! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #196

The real cause is imperialism. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #204

and the only american politician with the guts to call this shit out: tk2kewl Mar 2016 #205

Don't forget her role in the Honduran coup Arazi Mar 2016 #216

I saw John Perkins talk about imperialism on the Thom Hartmann Show. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #224

"Little Miss Shortcuts." closeupready Mar 2016 #217

Very cheap shot! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #221

Others were better qualified. moondust Mar 2016 #220

It's almost certain it was a horse trade Hydra Mar 2016 #248

I think she was given the position for endorsing Obama after she bowed out of the 2008 race. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #226

Simplistic peevishness. randome Mar 2016 #231

You think it's more complicated than that? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #232

Assassination of environmental activist in Honduras and Hillary's record there... Gmak Mar 2016 #241

Anyone remember the news silence after Qaddafi was killed? virgista Mar 2016 #249

What bullshit Hekate Mar 2016 #251

Evidence for the news blackout: blank looks from friends and family when you mention Libya debacle virgista Mar 2016 #255

So you saying Obama has poor judgement. Historic NY Mar 2016 #252

The caul fell from my eyes in 2010 when he and Boehner tried to cut Social Security. virgista Mar 2016 #261

"Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." senz Mar 2016 #253

I was headed to the bottom of this thread to say exactly this Samantha Mar 2016 #262

Yes, I'm sure of it, too. senz Mar 2016 #264

Yawn....... Beacool Mar 2016 #254

The workers liked her. HassleCat Mar 2016 #259

K&R for the discussion this OP generated. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #267

Let's be even more honest about her national career. Orsino Mar 2016 #272

Actually, it was John Kerry's turn Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #273