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Octafish

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45. Saving USA from the United Stasi of America
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016


Edward Snowden: saving us from the United Stasi of America

Snowden's whistleblowing gives us a chance to roll back what is tantamount to an 'executive coup' against the US constitution


by Daniel Ellsberg
The Guardian, 10 June 2013

In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material – and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.

Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.

The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa – but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."

For the president then to say that there is judicial oversight is nonsense – as is the alleged oversight function of the intelligence committees in Congress. Not for the first time – as with issues of torture, kidnapping, detention, assassination by drones and death squads –they have shown themselves to be thoroughly co-opted by the agencies they supposedly monitor. They are also black holes for information that the public needs to know.

The fact that congressional leaders were "briefed" on this and went along with it, without any open debate, hearings, staff analysis, or any real chance for effective dissent, only shows how broken the system of checks and balances is in this country.

Obviously, the United States is not now a police state. But given the extent of this invasion of people's privacy, we do have the full electronic and legislative infrastructure of such a state. If, for instance, there was now a war that led to a large-scale anti-war movement – like the one we had against the war in Vietnam – or, more likely, if we suffered one more attack on the scale of 9/11, I fear for our democracy. These powers are extremely dangerous.

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/edward-snowden-united-stasi-america

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If you're not worried about where we're going.... daleanime Mar 2016 #1
Renowned photojournalist assaulted by US Secret Service at Trump rally 2016 Octafish Mar 2016 #5
we were all shocked when Bush started giving us the "60s Brazil" treatment MisterP Mar 2016 #12
LBJ! LBJ! LBJ! Octafish Mar 2016 #29
I'm depressingly worried. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #34
But she's such a sweet and loving person nichomachus Mar 2016 #2
Forgiving, too. Octafish Mar 2016 #7
kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #3
Ray got put on a government 'Watch List' after that. Octafish Mar 2016 #9
Horrendous... Hilary is dangerous... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #10
Not just her: that is the scary part... eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #35
Authoritarians call themselves everything, including Democrat. The third way is not our friend. haikugal Mar 2016 #4
+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #11
Authoritarians all share one trait in common... Octafish Mar 2016 #18
Thanks for this. I get so angry when I realize how long this has been going on. haikugal Mar 2016 #20
I very much appreciate your years of research. madfloridian Mar 2016 #32
he's just a decorated veteran; one of the little people, and they don't matter amborin Mar 2016 #6
Remember Cindy Sheehan? Octafish Mar 2016 #27
yes, that whole episode was heartbreaking; and bush so sociopathic amborin Mar 2016 #30
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Mar 2016 #8
Saving USA from the United Stasi of America Octafish Mar 2016 #45
What an appalling thread!!! erlewyne Mar 2016 #13
One does not mess with Lady Macbeth. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #14
Did Hillary condemn his mistreatment and removed him from any threat list? Vattel Mar 2016 #15
I feel for Tulsi Gabbard for being courageous as well SheenaR Mar 2016 #16
What a shame. (This was in 2011, you say?) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #17
2011 at George Washington University for the real DU reality-based community NurseJackie. bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #21
Hillary Clinton says "supporting veterans is a sacred responsibility", so why, after five years, bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #19
That no-good bearded old crumb bum wrecked her speech, bobthedrummer. Octafish Mar 2016 #28
Ex-Spy Vindicated After Protesting Hillary (Peter Van Buren 9-30-2014 Bill Moyers&Co.) bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #22
k/r. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #23
Among other things he helped to prevent WWIII during his CIA employment and cofounded VIPS. n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #24
Unfriending Mubarak Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #25
They must have been in on the IPO. Octafish Mar 2016 #38
Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #26
During the War on Terror/Post-9-11 world, merely knowing this makes one an Enemy of the State Octafish Mar 2016 #37
Thanks warrprayer Mar 2016 #49
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #31
What's this have to do with hillary, it was Ray McGovern who refused to sit down or leave BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #33
Why would he have to do either in the first place? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #36
Why did Bernie have protesters arrested at his office in the 90s? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #41
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, are we? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #42
Scraping at double standards, are we? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #44
Your retorts are much like Clinton's campaign: lame attempts to copy the other side's words, Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #46
I remember that, I almost cried for him. polly7 Mar 2016 #39
What about the antiwar protesters Bernie had arrested at his office in the 90s? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #40
Were they beaten and bruised too, or is that reserved for those standing up to The Annointed One? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #43
So, Hillary, came down off the stage and strong-armed that man out of the venue? nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #47
No. The guards did. Octafish Mar 2016 #48
Publications of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity/VIPS (WarIsACrime) kick bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #50
J Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers Octafish Mar 2016 #53
One doesn't turn one's back on Claire Underwood. nt valerief Mar 2016 #51
Orwell is rolling in his grave laughing his a%& off. nt kristopher Mar 2016 #52
Recommended interview with Ray McGovern by Cinema Libre. proverbialwisdom May 2016 #54
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