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In reply to the discussion: Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011 [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)45. Saving USA from the United Stasi of America

Edward Snowden: saving us from the United Stasi of America
Snowden's whistleblowing gives us a chance to roll back what is tantamount to an 'executive coup' against the US constitution
by Daniel Ellsberg
The Guardian, 10 June 2013
In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.
Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.
The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."
For the president then to say that there is judicial oversight is nonsense as is the alleged oversight function of the intelligence committees in Congress. Not for the first time as with issues of torture, kidnapping, detention, assassination by drones and death squads they have shown themselves to be thoroughly co-opted by the agencies they supposedly monitor. They are also black holes for information that the public needs to know.
The fact that congressional leaders were "briefed" on this and went along with it, without any open debate, hearings, staff analysis, or any real chance for effective dissent, only shows how broken the system of checks and balances is in this country.
Obviously, the United States is not now a police state. But given the extent of this invasion of people's privacy, we do have the full electronic and legislative infrastructure of such a state. If, for instance, there was now a war that led to a large-scale anti-war movement like the one we had against the war in Vietnam or, more likely, if we suffered one more attack on the scale of 9/11, I fear for our democracy. These powers are extremely dangerous.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/edward-snowden-united-stasi-america
Snowden's whistleblowing gives us a chance to roll back what is tantamount to an 'executive coup' against the US constitution
by Daniel Ellsberg
The Guardian, 10 June 2013
In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.
Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.
The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."
For the president then to say that there is judicial oversight is nonsense as is the alleged oversight function of the intelligence committees in Congress. Not for the first time as with issues of torture, kidnapping, detention, assassination by drones and death squads they have shown themselves to be thoroughly co-opted by the agencies they supposedly monitor. They are also black holes for information that the public needs to know.
The fact that congressional leaders were "briefed" on this and went along with it, without any open debate, hearings, staff analysis, or any real chance for effective dissent, only shows how broken the system of checks and balances is in this country.
Obviously, the United States is not now a police state. But given the extent of this invasion of people's privacy, we do have the full electronic and legislative infrastructure of such a state. If, for instance, there was now a war that led to a large-scale anti-war movement like the one we had against the war in Vietnam or, more likely, if we suffered one more attack on the scale of 9/11, I fear for our democracy. These powers are extremely dangerous.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/edward-snowden-united-stasi-america
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Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011 [View all]
Octafish
Mar 2016
OP
Authoritarians call themselves everything, including Democrat. The third way is not our friend.
haikugal
Mar 2016
#4
Thanks for this. I get so angry when I realize how long this has been going on.
haikugal
Mar 2016
#20
2011 at George Washington University for the real DU reality-based community NurseJackie.
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#21
Hillary Clinton says "supporting veterans is a sacred responsibility", so why, after five years,
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#19
Ex-Spy Vindicated After Protesting Hillary (Peter Van Buren 9-30-2014 Bill Moyers&Co.)
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#22
Among other things he helped to prevent WWIII during his CIA employment and cofounded VIPS. n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#24
During the War on Terror/Post-9-11 world, merely knowing this makes one an Enemy of the State
Octafish
Mar 2016
#37
What's this have to do with hillary, it was Ray McGovern who refused to sit down or leave
BlueStateLib
Mar 2016
#33
Your retorts are much like Clinton's campaign: lame attempts to copy the other side's words,
Betty Karlson
Mar 2016
#46
What about the antiwar protesters Bernie had arrested at his office in the 90s?
JaneyVee
Mar 2016
#40
Were they beaten and bruised too, or is that reserved for those standing up to The Annointed One?
Betty Karlson
Mar 2016
#43
So, Hillary, came down off the stage and strong-armed that man out of the venue? nt
Jitter65
Mar 2016
#47
Publications of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity/VIPS (WarIsACrime) kick
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#50