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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011 [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)53. J Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers
George Orwell put his ideas down on paper in 1984, Animal Farm and other written works. While he didn't foretell the arrival of computing and its implications for mass surveillance, Terry Gilliam did. In the Python's outstanding 1985 film, "Brazil," the Memory Hole was partly electronic, but still required a lot of paperwork and tubes to get the job done of keeping history straight and the tabs on everyone. Today, things are even worse.
Ray McGovern called the situation: "J Edgar Hoover on Supercomputers." I think it may be even worse. The guys who got rid of Nixon -- and Frank Church -- have the latest gear.
J. Edgar Hoover With Supercomputers
by Ray McGovern
AntiWar.com, January 6, 2006
On Dec. 19, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Director of National Intelligence Gen. Mike Hayden held a press conference in which they once again misled the American people.
Gonzales and Hayden answered questions about reports that the National Security Agency (NSA), which Hayden directed from 1999 to 2005, was eavesdropping on Americans via a special program in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The implications for privacy and our system of checks and balances are immense.
As long as he read from his prepared statement, Attorney General Gonzales did just fine with the press. He conceded that FISA requires a court order to authorize the surveillance the president ordered the NSA to undertake, and then hammered home the administration's "legal analysis:" the twin arguments that Congress' post-9/11 authorization of force and the president's power as commander in chief trump the legal constraints of FISA.
When the reporters' questions began, though, Gonzales faltered and twice spilled the beans. Asked why the administration decided to flout rather than amend FISA, choosing instead a "backdoor approach," Gonzales said:
"We have had discussions with Congress as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible."
So they went ahead and did it anyway.
SNIP...
[font color="green"]Another concern is that, among the groups of American citizens most likely to be sucked up by the NSA's vacuum cleaner because of the nature of their work and their international calls/contacts are members of Congress and journalists. A key question that raises its ugly head is this: If hundreds of calls and e-mails involving Americans are being intercepted each and every day, and juicy tidbits are learned about, say, prominent officials or other persons, there will be an almost irresistible temptation to make use of this information. Former FBI special agent Coleen Rowley, who for many years monitored court-authorized electronic surveillances and wiretaps relating to organized criminal and drug conspiracy groups, recently underscored how much one can learn about someone by listening in on his/her private communications. She reminds us that the blackmail potential is clear.[/font color]
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http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=8349
Hannah Arendt warned us where all this is going:

The goal of wholesale surveillance, [font color="green"]as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. [/font color]And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.
Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy
Thank you, bobthedrummer! You know, personally, what Ray McGovern is all about.
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Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011 [View all]
Octafish
Mar 2016
OP
Authoritarians call themselves everything, including Democrat. The third way is not our friend.
haikugal
Mar 2016
#4
Thanks for this. I get so angry when I realize how long this has been going on.
haikugal
Mar 2016
#20
2011 at George Washington University for the real DU reality-based community NurseJackie.
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#21
Hillary Clinton says "supporting veterans is a sacred responsibility", so why, after five years,
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#19
Ex-Spy Vindicated After Protesting Hillary (Peter Van Buren 9-30-2014 Bill Moyers&Co.)
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#22
Among other things he helped to prevent WWIII during his CIA employment and cofounded VIPS. n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#24
During the War on Terror/Post-9-11 world, merely knowing this makes one an Enemy of the State
Octafish
Mar 2016
#37
What's this have to do with hillary, it was Ray McGovern who refused to sit down or leave
BlueStateLib
Mar 2016
#33
Your retorts are much like Clinton's campaign: lame attempts to copy the other side's words,
Betty Karlson
Mar 2016
#46
What about the antiwar protesters Bernie had arrested at his office in the 90s?
JaneyVee
Mar 2016
#40
Were they beaten and bruised too, or is that reserved for those standing up to The Annointed One?
Betty Karlson
Mar 2016
#43
So, Hillary, came down off the stage and strong-armed that man out of the venue? nt
Jitter65
Mar 2016
#47
Publications of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity/VIPS (WarIsACrime) kick
bobthedrummer
Mar 2016
#50