2016 Postmortem

obamneycare

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81. Sanders has received more votes from voters under 30 than Clinton and Trump combined.

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:02 PM

Mar 2016

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-us-election-2016-dominance-among-young-voters-chart-a6938911.html

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Consider, for a moment, what that means for the future of American politics.

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http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html

Let's play out some very foreseeable hypotheticals. Four to eight more years of an incrementalist approach (that is constantly blocked by an obstructionist Congress) fails to bring these "free college" freeloaders the relief that they seek. Continued failure to address widening inequality or its structural causes (globalization and automation), or the corrupt political system that keeps it in place, further animates this demographic, whose political identities were formed around Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign. Four to eight years of aging and experience with the political system transforms this under-30 demographic into an under-34 and an under-38 demographic, that is better-equipped to register to vote and turnout for elections. Four to eight years of aging sees the thinning out of the baby boomer generation (in 2020 and 2024, U.S. Life expectancy will be about 79.5-80 years of age), that has so reliably turned out for Hillary Clinton in these primaries.

... What then, is the future for this Third Way/DLC Democratic Party? How will it be sustained?

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Hey DNC, we are big enough to be a third party... [View all] Playinghardball Mar 2016 OP

Heil President Trump metroins Mar 2016 #1

No Sanders is not that popular: He appeals to be people that want free college! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #16

Reagan couldn't have said it better! Beowulf Mar 2016 #31

Their is no such thing as free college: someone has to pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #134

Yes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #172

So is free money is popular: There are not votes in Senate for it or free lewebley3 Mar 2016 #268

Well you're the one using the term "free college"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #205

AS financial transaction tax would pay for it n/t eridani Mar 2016 #224

He usess the word free for a reason: to attract people lewebley3 Mar 2016 #254

He uses the PHRASE "tuition free"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #260

Free is what young people who want college hear. lewebley3 Mar 2016 #263

Do you want more innovation, more ideas realized? PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #270

Yes, and the Clinton's did deliver on all helping people colleges: pell grants etc lewebley3 Mar 2016 #271

The Clintons delivered Pell Grants on what planet? dr60omg Mar 2016 #280

You need to go the lib: and look up the Clinton budgets they helped the middle class: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #282

Oh, the horror! ljm2002 Mar 2016 #272

A proposal that has gone nowwhere in the Senate: and will not go anywhere lewebley3 Mar 2016 #274

And what kind of dickhead would deny them this simple wish? I mean, besides Republicans? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #287

Its not a simple wish at all: that is why Sanders is a fraud: He is an empty suit lewebley3 Apr 2016 #292

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody says free, because Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #302

Wolf Bitzer; Quoted Sanders at the Debate: he promised everyone free college lewebley3 Apr 2016 #307

NO, tuition free which means it is paid for thru taxes like other civilized nations. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #308

"He talks about tuition-free public colleges and universities. " MADem Apr 2016 #286

+1 rock Apr 2016 #306

Democrats for the Oligarchy! Eom noiretextatique Mar 2016 #240

Dem is are for the people: Sanders for free handouts: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #253

I for full sentence DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #289

Democrats are not for Oligarchy: that is the GOP party lewebley3 Mar 2016 #278

The GOP are for every Ollgarchy: You are just repeating. Sanders propaganda lewebley3 Apr 2016 #309

Not this argument again coyote Mar 2016 #250

Who is we: The middle class can't pay and the GOP won't pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #252

Spelling actually does count in posts about higher education. I'm standing by that one. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #288

American people are angry about the poor education in primary schools: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #291

Hmmm mindem Apr 2016 #301

Thanks Rush. Good to know. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48

You would jump on HIllary for fake promises lewebley3 Mar 2016 #149

The "free stuff" right wing meme lives on here at DU. Thanks for dumping on college students. think Mar 2016 #60

its already free squirecam Mar 2016 #195

Free? You mean like the protection mega corporations get from the US military all around the world? think Mar 2016 #197

and? squirecam Mar 2016 #201

Yes. And over 8% of vets are currently homeless. We don't do enough for our vets. If we're willing think Mar 2016 #206

okay... squirecam Mar 2016 #210

IT IS NOT FREE. WE VETS GAVE UP LIFE, LIMB AND OUR TIME TO SERVE. IT WAS NEVER FREE. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #232

Ok for the very first time on this site from me - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #249

point still applies squirecam Mar 2016 #258

Obviously you've never served - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #261

You made no points civilian. Your time for service in exchange of for college is in essence barter. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #269

Would it burst your bubble if I said I have $0 college debt and yet want Sander's tuition-free JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #67

+1 Matariki Mar 2016 #89

Yep. I actually never had college debt so as a millenial "bernie bro" I throw a real wrench JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #152

There are no votes for free college in the Senate: I want free money too: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #140

And your real agenda shows its... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #207

And amending things counts also. -none Mar 2016 #214

Me too. It's a Republican right wing philosophy to think that everything in life should be GoneFishin Mar 2016 #216

They always, and I mean fucking always have more money for weapons, but they make up GoneFishin Mar 2016 #217

Yeah, yeah. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #70

Where do you live? I lived all my life in CA and our public colleges and Universities were free! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #82

Yes, I remember when that was! BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #196

Oh, you mean free college like we had before and like many advanced nations have? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #74

Socialist counties: and the College was never free: tax payers paid lewebley3 Mar 2016 #132

Yes, we understand how taxes work. We're saying free at the time of study. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #153

What a policy wonk you are! frylock Mar 2016 #182

I'm too old to go to college so what you gonna say to me bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #80

Your dawn to nice old grandpas: Also you are never told to learn lewebley3 Mar 2016 #124

Sanders has received more votes from voters under 30 than Clinton and Trump combined. obamneycare Mar 2016 #81

Mosty white males lewebley3 Mar 2016 #121

Don't discourage great ideas. Hortensis Mar 2016 #102

If Hillary were giving Sanders promise you would call her a liar lewebley3 Mar 2016 #119

I don't know what that means, but Hortensis Mar 2016 #136

Sanders people done just that for Hillary being a party Dem lewebley3 Mar 2016 #137

Yes, they did and do. And as a result, they Hortensis Mar 2016 #192

I hope most Hillary supporters are more literate than you appear to be... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #208

And the jury is in.... Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #242

Thanks for letting me know... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #259

Its not ideal: its a Sanders fraudulent promise: that the he is using lewebley3 Apr 2016 #294

Education without Spirochete Mar 2016 #106

The Clinton's know how to grow the economy and pull the country out of Debt lewebley3 Mar 2016 #117

Oh really Carolina Mar 2016 #139

Yes: Really: History is that they did it: 22m jobs: 7.4m out of proverty lewebley3 Mar 2016 #141

More into Carolina Mar 2016 #145

Clinton budget 1993 ended poverty for most American: Bush put American lewebley3 Mar 2016 #146

Sure Carolina Mar 2016 #150

Just fact: You can check numbers: The Clinton Adm was one of the most lewebley3 Mar 2016 #151

I know the history Carolina Mar 2016 #173

Thank you TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #213

No lewbley Glass-Stegall was one o Clintons hallmarks dr60omg Mar 2016 #283

No, it is not a hallmark of Clinton's: Its only a hallmark to left wing tea baggers: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #285

You ever hear of the tech boom? frylock Mar 2016 #184

Obama made the bulk of Bush's tax cuts PERMANENT... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #211

Obama worked for deal that was best for the counrty: Obama won somethings too! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #264

You said... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #273

Bottom line Obama raised taxes on the rich : that makes him progressive lewebley3 Mar 2016 #275

...for the 1%. KPN Mar 2016 #218

Heavy debt is not good for anyone: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #144

No, likes debt: but Sanders making false promises that he cannot deliver of free college: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #295

Another Rand Paul supporter who likes Hillary! pinebox Mar 2016 #107

I am Dem I support only Dem's: Hillary is the best leader for the job lewebley3 Mar 2016 #118

Bullshit. Own it. I just showed you how you align with Rand Paul. pinebox Mar 2016 #168

Have voted Dem and worked for Dem's since I was 18: never vote otherwise lewebley3 Mar 2016 #255

Doesn't matter, you spout off RW talking points. Maybe you "evolved" like Hillary. pinebox Mar 2016 #256

Wrong: Liberal Dem and have worked hard getting progressive caucus elected lewebley3 Mar 2016 #267

I have to laugh pinebox Apr 2016 #298

NO: I am Dem: and I only support Dem's: Hillary's they only choice lewebley3 Apr 2016 #296

Got any more Freeper talking points for us? How much more WAR and CLIMATE CHANGE do you want Lorien Mar 2016 #166

How many aircraft carriers do we have now? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #226

Say hi to Dave Brock when you get back to the office. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #293

Moi, je sais...Tout ça, c'est de la foutaise. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #21

it sure is DrDan Mar 2016 #55

N'est-ce pas, mon cher docteur ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #68

American Only! This be America! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #156

Just agreeing with the good doctor! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #164

Why were you talking about me??? 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #174

Conspiracy alert, conspiracy alert! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #179

My response to these "concerned" people is, generally, ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #181

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep..." Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #183

Especially in those of hateful seed and hidden deeds. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #185

+1 ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #186

The DNC runs a corrupt, rigged primary Beowulf Mar 2016 #43

Be Gone!!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #49

Not surprising LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #108

Hillary is winning asuhornets Mar 2016 #111

I can't wait to link to this post when she loses in the GE. frylock Mar 2016 #187

so u not voting for her? n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #199

Well if that's your attitude when the GE rolls around... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #212

I don't wish for anyone asuhornets Mar 2016 #219

Qualified for what? Maybe the bad judgement Hall of Fame pinebox Mar 2016 #233

Stop repeating asuhornets Mar 2016 #234

Quit denying reality pinebox Mar 2016 #241

Talking about running a 3rd party is a spoiler... metroins Mar 2016 #65

Why do you think I'm only referring to Arizona? Beowulf Mar 2016 #167

Welcome to the American election system metroins Mar 2016 #171

Evidence? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #103

Open your eyes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #169

So you made it up Renew Deal Mar 2016 #175

Yes, that's right. Beowulf Mar 2016 #194

The Democrats helped put him where he is today. They may as well own it out right. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #71

The Democrats can easily beat Trump metroins Mar 2016 #76

Clinton as a nominee = president Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #125

Any Democrat can beat Trump n/t metroins Mar 2016 #158

Sadly, no. basselope Mar 2016 #161

Please elaborate on such game. metroins Mar 2016 #163

It's called winning the primary. basselope Mar 2016 #180

!!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #209

The stunts in AZ have ENSURED a win for Trump if Clinton steals the nomination Lorien Mar 2016 #143

GOP Secretary of State metroins Mar 2016 #159

Keep in mind there are also a lot of people trying decide BETWEEN Bernie and Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #165

yes, exactly amborin Mar 2016 #266

I don't believe you should blame Sanders supporters monicaangela Mar 2016 #154

Do you see me blaming Sanders supporters? metroins Mar 2016 #160

I could have sworn you said Heil President Trump monicaangela Mar 2016 #220

I think we are witnessing NowSam Mar 2016 #2

the Democratic Socialists! New Earth Mar 2016 #4

FYI, they already exist and would LOVE to have your support. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #28

I'm on board n/t SheenaR Mar 2016 #37

They obviously need new members...your membership would be welcome, I'm sure. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #50

Condescension Aside SheenaR Mar 2016 #123

Their "political praxis", as Cornell West so aptly says, is admirable. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #135

You should smile. I certainly am. Bubzer Mar 2016 #41

Good gawd... SoapBox Mar 2016 #54

And it's going to get worse... Bubzer Mar 2016 #57

Hey, thanks for the heads up! I love juror N°7's comment... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #58

DSA SoapBox Mar 2016 #42

Sounds like a really viable, vibrant organization... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #77

Social Democrats is perfectly descriptive. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #6

Social Democrats, Democrats, Republicans, Conservative Republicans (Trump's camp?) blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #176

Yup! SoapBox Mar 2016 #9

I don't know if I agree that the GOP will be gone. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #19

Wrong: Dem party is getting strong: and more liberal things are going to get done lewebley3 Mar 2016 #22

ROFL revbones Mar 2016 #26

You were saying something about intelligent and respectful discourse... DanTex Mar 2016 #99

As shown, that's quite hard given the comment I was responding to... nt revbones Mar 2016 #112

I can tell how much of a struggle it must have been for you. DanTex Mar 2016 #114

Also, I wasn't claiming to be looking for "political discourse" in that comment, revbones Mar 2016 #122

Probably a good call. Stick to the smilies. DanTex Mar 2016 #129

Yeah, learned my lesson about responding to posts that aren't worth more than that... nt revbones Mar 2016 #148

Oh my gawd! SoapBox Mar 2016 #39

Right after her re-election in 2020 frylock Mar 2016 #191

Ignore... litlbilly Mar 2016 #44

If you" Ignore" why did you reply: you don't make sense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #127

OMFG. (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #45

Oh! Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #51

yup eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #105

Comedy gold! frylock Mar 2016 #190

Gotta hand it to you, you never give up. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #193

I am like Hillary I am loyal Dem: We don't throw tempers: We fight on! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #265

Well hey, Wasserman-Schultz and Clinton both have shot that in the foot. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #281

No, they have not shot themselves in the foot: Only Sanders people think that nonsense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #284

The central value of the new liberal party is democracy. senz Mar 2016 #29

+1000000 SoapBox Mar 2016 #35

Progressive Populist Party. :) RiverLover Mar 2016 #72

It's about time! budkin Mar 2016 #38

Careful. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #3

Good point. dchill Mar 2016 #8

I can already heard the "Nader" dogwhistles from the Weathervane camp. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #236

Ouch. True enough to be a look at the future. jwirr Mar 2016 #5

Jury results are in! SoapBox Mar 2016 #7

Pleasure to serve on a jury with you, SoapBox! senz Mar 2016 #14

Absolutely! SoapBox Mar 2016 #62

This is a site for Democrats. social democrats. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #15

Some charmer alerted on your OP senz Mar 2016 #10

Some CHARMER... SoapBox Mar 2016 #13

Carry on ... In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #11

Sweet of you to format it for ease of reading. senz Mar 2016 #17

I've been posting jury results for years. In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #147

Best of luck! zappaman Mar 2016 #12

Same to you and your party of aging, increasingly out of touch, zombies whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20

Fortunately, for the DU splinter group, an alternate infrastructure is ALREADY in existence... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #91

I think we will see that, in my lifetime. Nature abhors a vacuum, a vacuum has been created Autumn Mar 2016 #18

Thank you Autmn! SoapBox Mar 2016 #33

I think it will be VERY soon (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #128

So Bernie wins the primary/caucus.. and its time to run the general.. Peacetrain Mar 2016 #23

His future party already exists... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #95

Go for it, already! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #24

The fracking corporatists who demand my vote Yuugal Mar 2016 #96

FINE! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #98

After the convention, after the convention ... (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #133

Why wait? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #138

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #25

Bernocrats? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #30

Don't alienate those who might cross over from the right, though Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #130

....... sufrommich Mar 2016 #27

the sanders crowd reveals its true self nt msongs Mar 2016 #32

I knew it all along workinclasszero Mar 2016 #86

You wanna really make noise against the DNC? DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #34

That's a start and a worthy cause, but this is bigger than her. senz Mar 2016 #64

Mhm SheenaR Mar 2016 #36

third party.. HughLefty1 Mar 2016 #40

I have also advocated a 4 candidate general election BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #47

Electoral college. dogman Mar 2016 #52

If Hillary is the candidate and loses the general randr Mar 2016 #46

So this is a TOS violation IMO. Agschmid Mar 2016 #53

Look up thread,it passed a jury. Do what I did,send sufrommich Mar 2016 #56

The GOP thanks you. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #59

Bernie always was a third party wasn't he? fun n serious Mar 2016 #61

TOS OKNancy Mar 2016 #63

Friendly suggestion?? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #93

Hillary is our conservative opponent BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #97

Oh my alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #66

Yikes ... salinsky Mar 2016 #69

Bernie poll-tested all his platforms, to make sure they were popular among Millennials. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #73

Wow, what a ringing endorsement of the status quo. Maedhros Mar 2016 #83

The only way to challenge the status quo is to actually vote hack89 Mar 2016 #87

Right back at you. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #88

Jill Stein is better than Bernie and she can't get any traction. Even Bernie knew he needed to run seaglass Mar 2016 #75

Bernie only gives voice to what we already know. He is important only FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #110

Hillary is losing up to 85% of all millenials, the dnc, thirdwayers etc, are all but fking dead. litlbilly Mar 2016 #188

And the fact that none of the Hill Shills can or wont see that is just amazing to me. litlbilly Mar 2016 #189

That is too bad. It appears they aren't voting in big numbers. That doesn't bode well seaglass Mar 2016 #200

really? look at all the caucus states. they are showing up in record numbers. litlbilly Mar 2016 #203

Huge numbers of primariers in my state Hydra Mar 2016 #222

By all means, ignore us! Maedhros Apr 2016 #303

Now, if only you can figure out how to get to the polls, we might be afraid brooklynite Mar 2016 #78

Go for it, I didn't like your ball anyways. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #79

I beg to differ KingFlorez Mar 2016 #84

It will be a coalition of the entire left, in solidarity with Greens and other progressive parties Zorra Mar 2016 #116

ADIOS MUCHACOS......LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #85

When does 3rdPartyUnderground go live? JoePhilly Mar 2016 #90

Good one, Joe! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #100

If they can't get that site off the ground ... I don't see much hope for their new party. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #104

Just send money! They can use Bernie's data bases to find their donors...! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #109

Probably shortly after Sanders campaign ends HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #204

Well, if memory serves, JPR was meant to do that after the Sanders campaign. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #237

I don't think JPR = the progressive movement inside the democratic party HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #238

Ahhhhh, good point. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #239

Right, it's the DNC's fault BainsBane Mar 2016 #92

To hell with the will of the majority in elections Sheepshank Mar 2016 #94

Best wishes Renew Deal Mar 2016 #101

Is this based on the winning formula of the OWS Party? randome Mar 2016 #113

Juste un dernier mot....thanks SO much for this thread. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #115

Working Families Party already exists in some states Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #120

It exists in states that allow fusion voting eridani Mar 2016 #225

I always vote on their line, though, to send a message Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #230

Didn't the Dems only adopt planks from the populist party (was it?) vintx Mar 2016 #126

Or doesn't give a shit about the country treestar Mar 2016 #131

Go ahead, make my day. oasis Mar 2016 #142

That's the second time today, I've seen this sentiment ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #155

I've bout had enough of this crap Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #157

43% of voters are now Independents, biggest electoral block now. riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #162

I know Bernie wins 70/30 against Trump. blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #178

Do not do this if you live in a state that has closed primaries. Indies can't vote in primaries. jillan Mar 2016 #170

Now we know who to blame if the Democrat loses in November Renew Deal Mar 2016 #177

You can blame the DNC & party elites & the media for pushing a purchased corporate Dem on US. /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #223

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #198

Not there yet HassleCat Mar 2016 #202

Bernie has come up with a brilliant scheme redstateblues Mar 2016 #215

lol... more temper tantrum... sigh uponit7771 Mar 2016 #221

So, The Revolution (™) is going to run the entire Government with Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Mar 2016 #227

Ok this post yesterday got me thinking about something I remembered reading about the New Deal. vintx Mar 2016 #228

Why not change the DNC? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #229

and we don't need to suck corporate teats like them! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #231

Just Maybe colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #235

Damn Play, this thread reminds me of the French revolution Autumn Mar 2016 #243

Amazing huh? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #246

Nah it's par for the course anymore. Autumn Mar 2016 #247

I have to agree... LOL Playinghardball Mar 2016 #248

The 'Not Hillary' Party's time is about up. onehandle Mar 2016 #244

The Democratic Party stopped representing its former political base long ago AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #245

I don't know who or what the Democratic party represents nolabels Apr 2016 #297

Are we leaving the Democratic Party ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #251

A better approach is to force the Third Way out Samantha Mar 2016 #257

Except neither the Dems or the 3rd party would get 270 electoral votes. pnwmom Mar 2016 #262

They don't care. They don't need liberal retards. They'll rely on 'sane' republicans to vote for her haikugal Mar 2016 #276

Sanders insisted he would not run as anything other than a Democrat. LisaM Mar 2016 #277

A third party can form without Sanders...[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #305

Since the Clinton's cheat Politicalboi Mar 2016 #279

you can't be this dumb bigtree Apr 2016 #290

I support Bernie Sanders. If he loses the nomination and goes third party, I will turn my back on... marble falls Apr 2016 #299

Open Invite demwing Apr 2016 #300

So, then the center left and left consistently lose and we have endless Republican presidents. Zynx Apr 2016 #304