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2016 Postmortem

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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:39 AM Mar 2016

Privilege Is What Allows Clinton Supporters to Keep Supporting Her [View all]

When the overwhelming preference among young people for Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton first became apparent, old-school feminists like Madeleine Albright were quick to vote-shame younger women for abandoning the cause of feminism.

Now come the concerned citizens preemptively scolding supporters of Sanders who might be tempted to stay home if Clinton is on the ballot in November. We’re told that we have a moral duty to vote for Clinton, that we are sexist if we dislike her, and that a refusal to vote for her would be an act of privilege because vulnerable people will be hurt if Trump wins.

Well. Let’s talk about privilege and vulnerable people for a minute.

There’s no question that a Trump win would be a disaster. It would give a vain, unstable, and completely unqualified man great power and fan the flames of racism, violence, and xenophobia.

But if you are helping Hillary Clinton win the nomination, please don’t talk to me about privilege. Because you are choosing, right now, in this moment, to support a candidate who is deeply disliked by independents, has historically bad favorability ratings, is under investigation by both the FBI and the NSA, and is running much worse in head-to-head polls with the Republicans than Bernie Sanders.

In other words, you are choosing to put the country at risk by supporting the far weaker and far more vulnerable candidate. And then telling me I must support her. What does that say about your privilege?

http://noiwillnotyield.com/blog/2016/3/25/privilege-is-what-allows-clinton-supporters-to-keep-supporting-her

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I'm guessing that the African American voters of Mississippi and Alabama, who voted for Tanuki Mar 2016 #1
I'm guessing that the minority voters of Hawaii, who voted for Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #4
I have never, ever said or implied anything of the kind, so don't dump this crap on ME. Tanuki Mar 2016 #6
OK then...admit that Hawaii puts the "only white folks vote for Bernie" meme to rest. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #9
When Hawaiians and Asians have been relentlessly discriminated against socially and economically Jitter65 Mar 2016 #13
They have been. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #24
US history does not seem to be a subject that HRC supporters notadmblnd Mar 2016 #37
You are absolutely right about Hawaii brush Mar 2016 #53
We agree that HRC won big in the South. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #87
Who was suggesting Sanders pull out? brush Mar 2016 #105
Point of fact: Hawaii was a nation, a Kingdom belonging to the Hawaiians. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #26
Yet certain folks have a fit if Mexico gets an auto plant. Hoyt Mar 2016 #33
they had their kingdom stolen and their rights buried. they roguevalley Mar 2016 #79
Does the internment of Japanese Americans count, or was that not enough suffering for you? jfern Apr 2016 #165
Let's see, Hillary is white, and very very wealthy. Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #10
You kinda just did, you should apologize and move on. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #11
I kinda didn't, so cut the crap. Any response to my actual post? Tanuki Mar 2016 #15
I read the post you replied to and the post you posted and denial and evasion will not Dragonfli Mar 2016 #18
So you think that African American voters in Mississippi and Alabama voted overwhelmingly Tanuki Mar 2016 #25
I was referring to post #4, the rest of your words, have been placed in my text by you, I do not see Dragonfli Mar 2016 #31
At this point I have no idea what your point is, if you indeed have one. I did not write post#4. Tanuki Mar 2016 #36
It is quite simple, why you have such a hard time following it eludes me, I responded to Dragonfli Mar 2016 #39
Got it. You prefer to respond to what somewhat falsely implied that I said, than to the reality Tanuki Mar 2016 #41
I responded because of your disregard of an entire underprivileged race and bullying yes Dragonfli Mar 2016 #43
Sorry, you are the one doing the bullying. The OP is about Hillary supporters' Tanuki Mar 2016 #46
LOL Hillary supporters are PACS and Billianaires, and among the income Demographic voting wise Dragonfli Mar 2016 #52
Still not addressing what I actually said, only escalating the invective....eom Tanuki Mar 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Mar 2016 #35
"Privilege Is What Allows Clinton Supporters to Keep Supporting Her" Tanuki Mar 2016 #40
Wait what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #59
I've proved that Bernie never treated AA issues as secondary. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #85
No ... You have said said it over and over and over again ... You have proved nothing! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #96
Obviously MLK and Malcolm put the fight against racism first. Obviously they were right to do so. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #121
That is a wall of words ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #122
What I wrote proves that Bernie treats racism as just as important as economic justice. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #126
No ... Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #127
You should apologize and edit this, Ken. It's Stockholm Syndrome all over again. bettyellen Mar 2016 #72
Not at all. I wasn't claiming that anybody identified with their oppressors. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #82
You claimed they vote thoughtlessly. bettyellen Mar 2016 #86
People on the left have been in solidarity with indigenous Hawaiians for decades now. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #88
Maybe it's frustrating because you imagine people hate Bernie.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #89
I've seen months and months of snide, hateful, rage-filled posts directed towards him. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #90
Bernie was very late to add his social justice issues to his web site and stump bettyellen Mar 2016 #92
This is really, really insulting. When will you people learn? lunamagica Mar 2016 #75
I insulted no one. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #91
You don't think this is insulting? lunamagica Mar 2016 #95
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2016 #134
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #142
She didn't offer AA voters anything superior in terms of policies. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #144
There African-American voters beg to differ. But thank you for your uninformed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #145
I realize they differ and that is their call. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #146
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #147
so so....SOMETHING steve2470 Apr 2016 #149
If posting a pic of a laughing monkey ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #150
what ??????? steve2470 Apr 2016 #151
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #153
found it... steve2470 Apr 2016 #154
SMBDH. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #155
Wow. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #152
I don't have leaders who "told" me what to do... onpatrol98 Apr 2016 #159
Obviously black people think for themselves. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #160
Fine, black people think for themselves... onpatrol98 Apr 2016 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2016 #163
Painful... onpatrol98 Apr 2016 #164
"I should cry. Because supposedly you're what we have as an ally." Number23 Apr 2016 #168
This bravenak Apr 2016 #161
Are you saying that only AA's support HRC? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #38
Nope. Neither said it nor implied it. Tanuki Mar 2016 #48
Yes it is implied notadmblnd Mar 2016 #49
You can make whatever projections you want and need to make, but try not to confuse them Tanuki Mar 2016 #50
And so does yours notadmblnd Mar 2016 #51
I think they did what all voters do and voted from a position of hope roguevalley Mar 2016 #80
First of all, it is silly to think that the margin would have anything close to that large if StevieM Apr 2016 #131
Low information voters vote against their best interests ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #29
LOL - go with that arugment leftynyc Mar 2016 #54
Are you suggesting that HRC voters are "lower informed" and lesser "educated" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #61
As they become informed they switch AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #97
Yeah ... okay. HRC +2.6 Million. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #98
Name recognition will only carry you so far AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #100
Yeah ... Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #101
I thought you knew by now, that if you are ill informed, a white person will come along Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #129
I know ... What would poor little ole, ig'nant, me do without white folks setting me straight! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #138
In America, all that does make you equal to a first year junior college white guy, sad to say Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #140
The quip, frequently attributed to Brother Malcolm, comes to mind here!... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #143
You may think you are informed, but if your input sources are bunk- then your "information" is bunk snooper2 Mar 2016 #69
well said. Esp. about counterpunch.. I am riversedge Apr 2016 #118
I want Bernie to win not because he is a 'stronger' candidate in the GE but because his policies are pampango Mar 2016 #2
So the overwhelming preference of Americans in general including the people in synergie Mar 2016 #3
Does Hillary? I'd appreciate your supporting that clai snowy owl Mar 2016 #14
Thank you, synergie. sheshe2 Mar 2016 #106
Excellent post BainsBane Mar 2016 #107
Thank you! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #110
+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #111
A totally AWESOME and righteous rant!!! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #116
Awesome, synergie! brer cat Apr 2016 #120
No, privilege is.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #5
Yep, staying home in November, or "letting it happen on purpose" by a vanity vote for a spoiler, Tanuki Mar 2016 #7
And boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #21
Yep. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #57
That's some serious nonsense. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #8
What an argument. You agree a Trump win is a disaster then argue Democrats should allow others to seabeyond Mar 2016 #12
Huh? snowy owl Mar 2016 #16
"Privilege".........did you look that up? Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #17
I am in a state that had Piyush Jindal for Gov, who has fiscally wrecked LA. for generations. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #67
"Take your Privilege and shove it."~Katashi_itto Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #71
I fail to see what a vapid meme has to do with the corrupt excesses of Clinton ignored Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #73
Trump a monster? According to whom? The corporate media? snowy owl Mar 2016 #19
+++ 1000 marions ghost Mar 2016 #63
All us privileged minority voters throwing up roadblocks to the young white male revolution. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #20
Another quixotic post. What does that mean? Spike lee included? snowy owl Mar 2016 #23
Clinton has the vast majority of the non-white vote. I know it hurts, but its a fact. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #28
So what? What does that have to do with this post? snowy owl Mar 2016 #45
In what twisted Berniebro world are minorities, the core of Clinton's support, privileged? LexVegas Mar 2016 #47
Nobody called them privileged. You totally misunderstand the post. snowy owl Mar 2016 #93
It occurs to me that you may not understand the term "privilege" snowy owl Mar 2016 #94
Whiteness carries privilege BainsBane Apr 2016 #113
Of course it does. You still don't understand that there is privilege on both sides. snowy owl Apr 2016 #117
I support who I damn well please BainsBane Apr 2016 #119
Fine. That's exactly what I said. We are both privileged, aren't we? snowy owl Apr 2016 #135
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #78
DAMN you nailed it. Nailed it to the fucking wall Number23 Apr 2016 #148
Posted to for more displays of projection. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #22
LOL Hoyt Mar 2016 #34
+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #44
Hey~ sheshe2 Mar 2016 #109
Straight Privilege Personified: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #27
Can they pile the b******* any higher or have it be any smellier? Dem2 Mar 2016 #30
You are actually right - and it is on both sides. snowy owl Mar 2016 #99
Clinton is the best choice for continued corporate looting of the world. raouldukelives Mar 2016 #32
Privilege - this word is being grossly overused these days. It's getting very tiresome! beaglelover Mar 2016 #42
Indeed. apnu Mar 2016 #58
Privilege has jumped the shark. Ace Rothstein Mar 2016 #60
ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!!!! beaglelover Mar 2016 #74
I agree, especially when they put a qualifier/adjective in front of it. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #124
It sucks when 3 million more privileged oligarchs vote for Clinton cosmicone Mar 2016 #56
It's the other way round clearly treestar Mar 2016 #62
;) sheshe2 Apr 2016 #112
If your premise had merit I would agree with you Haveadream Mar 2016 #64
It's quite simply the "I got mine" mindset of a fiscal conservative. nt NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #65
OH yeah. BIG time. K&R closeupready Mar 2016 #66
And another thing: "privilege" is voting for the pro-oligarch nominee, closeupready Mar 2016 #68
Believe it or not, HRC's pill-cutting Boomer supporters are more privileged than Bernie's Millenials obamneycare Mar 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Mar 2016 #76
really? MFM008 Mar 2016 #77
Lookee we have the usual RW argument of "free stuff" Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #81
Yea, well it isn't free if my tax money has to pay for it now is it? leftofcool Apr 2016 #157
Lol! Thats got to be the most simple minded excuse for using a RW argument I have Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #167
I'd say it's math. Adrahil Mar 2016 #83
+1 quantumjunkie Mar 2016 #84
for your viewing pleasure, Mbrow Mar 2016 #102
Nuh uh, according to ppl here is my master/slave relationship. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #103
I agree bravenak Apr 2016 #115
that's BS. i'm supporting her and i'm DesertFlower Mar 2016 #104
This is really a slap in the face of so many poor and low middle income people across the south Jitter65 Mar 2016 #108
Poor and low middle income people in MOST states auntpurl Apr 2016 #123
which makes no sense, since the less-progressive candidate Ken Burch Apr 2016 #130
Quit telling POC what to do, and lecturing them as to why they are wrong, it is harming Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #132
They can do what they want. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #136
Was it you who said POC do what their leaders tell them to do? Long thread, wanna make Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #137
In the South, everybody seems to do that. I didn't mean to single out POC. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #139
We need election process reform in the worst way. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #125
Someone in another thread was bemoaning their having to pay $30000 under Bernie's tax plan. frylock Apr 2016 #114
How much do you have to make to pay that much in his changed taxes holy shit nt VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #141
Shame on your post. Voting preferences have nothing to do with "privilege." StevieM Apr 2016 #133
This is privilege Politicalboi Apr 2016 #156
K&R. Hillary is by far the weaker candidate. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #158
Knock off the discussion of privilege DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #166
kick amborin Apr 2016 #169
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