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karynnj

(60,460 posts)
34. Actually, the primary might have been more cynical than wrongheaded
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

I had not thought this out until reading your words, but I wonder if making the primary fights over a FALSE issue, placing her on the traditional democratic side was not well thought out.

For HRC, every moment that Sanders spent fighting against being labeled as not understanding AAs and not being acceptable to this large Democratic demographic group, while articles reinforced how strongly they supported HRC - was a plus for her. Going back, you see this started with people arguing when he announced in his hometown and people posted here and elsewhere that this was a huge error in terms of optics. (because having a cheering crowd of over 5000 on a late afternoon in a 42000 person city is a bad idea)

In that case, the issue was bogus - and Sanders' history compares well to Clinton's. However, HRC was genuinely to the left on gun control. Her team did exaggerate the difference, but it was in a way that happens in every election. Both of these issues helped Clinton whenever they were in the forefront. On issues of power and wealth, Clinton proactively changed her rhetoric to minimize the difference with Bernie. I assume this was intended to neutralize the issue that play to Bernie's favor.

The other difference was foreign policy, where Clinton counted on the genuine lack of real interest on the part of the American electorate. Here, her strategy has been to tie herself to things seen as Obama successes and to use her resume as SoS to close any discussion of differences in vision and philosophy between herself and Sanders.

Sanders gained when income inequality, questions of integrity, or arguments on a few HRC hawkish foreign policy issues were in the forefront.

HRC won when electability, "proven ability" to be President - including lead foreign policy -- and in NY this was on steroids with the NY Daily News interview that opened questions on how ready Sanders was to be President, guns, or the bogus POC issue were raised.

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I look forward to seeing her choice. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #1
I'm sure one of the Bush's is available. rickford66 Apr 2016 #2
Bitter much? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #9
No. Dissapointed for the younger people. rickford66 Apr 2016 #26
To think that Secretary Clinton wouldn't be much different from "W" shows how out of touch from SFnomad Apr 2016 #27
Hillary liberal from boston Apr 2016 #39
Insane Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #42
Clinton/Warren 2016 JaneyVee Apr 2016 #3
Tuesday night we will hear a great pivot. Game, set, match. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #4
A shiny happy bland corporate centrist male minority member who acts like a white person... Armstead Apr 2016 #5
How are minority members supposed to act? wildeyed Apr 2016 #7
It won't be someone.... Armstead Apr 2016 #8
How are minority members supposed to act? wildeyed Apr 2016 #17
People can act any damn way they want...The question was about the vp choice Armstead Apr 2016 #18
Then just say that you think she will pick a bland choice. wildeyed Apr 2016 #24
Actually, the primary might have been more cynical than wrongheaded karynnj Apr 2016 #34
Hillary liberal from boston Apr 2016 #43
I'm in complete agreement with you. It was an ambush. karynnj Apr 2016 #45
"minority member who acts like a white person" oberliner Apr 2016 #10
See answer above Armstead Apr 2016 #11
That doesn't really clarify anything oberliner Apr 2016 #13
See below...(we're cross posting) Armstead Apr 2016 #15
Someone who has the standard issue corporate uniform and aura and values Armstead Apr 2016 #14
That is an example, not an explanation. wildeyed Apr 2016 #21
That's what I said, in a slightly different way Armstead Apr 2016 #25
Your point was that a POC who is corporate is "acting white". wildeyed Apr 2016 #37
you might get a kick out of this: corkhead Apr 2016 #29
Well at least people on the jury understood what was intended to say Armstead Apr 2016 #32
Do you realize that this is a racist comment? I don't think you are racist. rbrnmw Apr 2016 #35
I've explained my comment elsewhere in this thread Armstead Apr 2016 #38
That is extremely racist KingFlorez Apr 2016 #40
Lloyd Blankfein SamKnause Apr 2016 #6
Too obvious...Need a stealth oligarch (or would-be oligarch) Armstead Apr 2016 #12
A unifying Bridge Candidate: corkhead Apr 2016 #31
It will be whoever Wall St. wants. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #16
All from the East Coast, most also from the last Century. Brown and Patrick are ok but Kaine would Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #19
All the donors haven't been tallied yet. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #20
Keeping her support inline SHRED Apr 2016 #22
No mention of Julian Castro. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #23
I think it will be Warren. JTFrog Apr 2016 #28
From this, I think the "ideal" VP nominee is someone who does not exist - if you look at all karynnj Apr 2016 #30
I'm surprised this wasn't mapped out by 2004. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #33
Pick someone not under indictment! TransitJohn Apr 2016 #36
Stupid move. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #41
K&R mcar Apr 2016 #44
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