2016 Postmortem

Time for change

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47. Yes I've worked in a precinct a few times, including as an election observer

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:41 PM

Apr 2016

After the election fraud that gave Bush the 2004 election through rigged machines, election integrity organizations sprung up all over the country. Without exception, they recommend hand counted paper ballots as the most fraud proof way of securing fair elections. Hand counts may be a little off due to human error, but machine counts, especially with machines owned, programmed, and run by right wing organizations can and do produce results that are far worse than any hand count you'll ever see.

But if you think that machines produced by corporations that have no accountability to the citizens of our country are the best way to count our votes, I can see that you are immune to arguments to the contrary, so I don't wish to discuss it with you any more.

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Why Dem Primary Anomalies Must Be Thoroughly Investigated Before Choosing a Nominee [View all] Time for change Apr 2016 OP

What????? tonyt53 Apr 2016 #1

What particular FACT do you disagree with from my OP? Time for change Apr 2016 #2

I'm afraid all are extremely suspect because of the source. Hortensis Apr 2016 #9

I'll ask you again, since you didn't answer my question Time for change Apr 2016 #10

And let me point out that Time for change Apr 2016 #11

This is not an election Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #13

So you're saying that because these are primaries rather than elections, Time for change Apr 2016 #17

Actually they don't Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #25

You are making statements without a shred of evidence to back them up. Time for change Apr 2016 #32

I see no such evidence Demsrule86 May 2016 #63

You read the OP but you saw no evidence? Time for change May 2016 #70

Therer was someone on DU yesterday bragging about truedelphi May 2016 #90

I know because THE REPUBLICANS ARE SCARY!!!!!! highprincipleswork May 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork May 2016 #57

I like Hillary Clinton Demsrule86 May 2016 #62

You're lying. You're fine and happy with election fraud and voter suppression in favor of Clinton.nt w4rma May 2016 #76

I think there was no primary fraud or voter suppression Demsrule86 May 2016 #85

How does fighting for election integrity not serve your purpose? bkscribe May 2016 #74

I like valid investigations... JSup Apr 2016 #15

As for our corporate "news" media saying that exit polls are "just not designed Time for change Apr 2016 #18

And I refer you to all the national media and Hortensis Apr 2016 #12

Tool. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #54

time to investigate sanders wins for fraud by his campaign. agreed nt msongs Apr 2016 #3

If there is any reason to believe that any of his wins were fraudulent Time for change Apr 2016 #4

we have no time to litigate a primary Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #14

We have time to investigate it with audits Time for change Apr 2016 #21

Nonsense Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #22

Clearly you do not care much about fair elections Time for change Apr 2016 #37

Thank you so much for your work! J_J_ Apr 2016 #5

Thank you Time for change Apr 2016 #6

Exit polls have missed drastically overseas before as well. The UK comes to mind. Zynx Apr 2016 #7

It's ridiculous to say that they aren't more accurate than pre-election polls Time for change Apr 2016 #8

You know people lie all the time in exit polls Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #16

You are aware that several Time for change Apr 2016 #19

Oh yes the GOP cheated and won twice Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #24

I'm not suggesting "going after a Democrat" Time for change Apr 2016 #30

It also doesn't bother some people here that truedelphi May 2016 #91

I know of one, my husband. grossproffit Apr 2016 #20

Mine too Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #23

It's very easy for a poorly weighted poll to be off. Zynx May 2016 #50

Saving for later. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #26

Another conspiracy theory, if Sanders was winning i doubt I would see a lot of this Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #27

You don't think that election fraud is an important issue? Time for change Apr 2016 #28

Fraud is a lot by those purposely trying to commit fraud. I have been familiar Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #31

That's absurd Time for change Apr 2016 #34

Since you must not be aware of the instance I was referring what is absurd is your Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #35

I have numerous facts, and they are in the OP, documented with hyperlinks. Time for change Apr 2016 #36

I am not the one to do the investigations, I pointed out where someone tried and tried, he failed, Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #40

Since the conspiracy theories only apply to the Clinton win states, I bet you are correct. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #38

Good point. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #41

So someone failed to hack a voting machine Time for change Apr 2016 #42

Give your proof to the proper officials, nothing will happen from posting Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #43

You might be interested to know that I started a poll on this issue Time for change May 2016 #69

!!! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #29

I believe the official DNC stance on this is - djean111 Apr 2016 #33

Meanwhile, I'm over here like.... silvershadow May 2016 #58

"If the Democratic Party cares anything about democracy in our country, they should make sure that vintx Apr 2016 #39

You trust hand counted ballots? I don't, too many human errors. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #44

You'd rather have machines provided by right wing corporations with no safeguards Time for change Apr 2016 #45

Yes I prefer the machines. How many hanging chads did you hear about from Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #46

Yes I've worked in a precinct a few times, including as an election observer Time for change Apr 2016 #47

I voted with electronic machines, had lots of faith in them, I voted with hanging chad paper system, Thinkingabout May 2016 #49

This s why I do not consider US elections legitimate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #48

Bernie Sanders' supporters are still trying to find a path to the nomination underthematrix May 2016 #51

I don't understand your point Time for change May 2016 #66

After watching how corrupted our primaries for the Democratic Party nominations have been. Snotcicles May 2016 #52

The best thing about this is... northernsouthern May 2016 #53

Thank you for this. 840high May 2016 #55

Somebody really did their homework. Thank you for this. highprincipleswork May 2016 #59

K & R AzDar May 2016 #60

In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights. Scuba May 2016 #61

K&R because I agree Ferd Berfel May 2016 #64

Thank you. I don't really have high hopes that the Dem Party will do much if anything about this Time for change May 2016 #67

PAX Ferd Berfel May 2016 #68

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #65

Outstanding research & writing. RiverLover May 2016 #71

Thank you. Time for change May 2016 #72

Another article with lots of links to facts about stolen primaries beedle May 2016 #73

Thank you for this d_legendary1 May 2016 #75

Exit polls are not the gold standard. nt Fresh_Start May 2016 #77

Then why are they cited as the most accurate method of validating elections Maedhros May 2016 #78

please get those citiations Fresh_Start May 2016 #80

You, first. Maedhros May 2016 #81

5 or 6 sources of errors with exit polls... Fresh_Start May 2016 #82

The first sentence of the OP has a source for exit polls Time for change May 2016 #83

It has been clear since at least 2004 that the Democratic Party has no interest in protecting Maedhros May 2016 #79

That's the way it appears to me. And look at the exit polls in the Republican primaries Time for change May 2016 #84

exit polls aren't accountable enough to measure anything against bigtree May 2016 #86

you have no idea what you're talking about Time for change May 2016 #87

nice discourse bigtree May 2016 #88

If exit polls are as bad as you say, then Time for change May 2016 #89