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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: More on Hillary Clinton's felonies. She held guilty knowledge to sustain 18 USC Sec. 793(e) charges [View all]Gothmog
(167,686 posts)94. Clinton emails continue to be non-scandal, disappointing Republicans
This non-scandal is also disappointing sad Sanders supporters who have wised up and know that Sanders will not be the nominee absent an indictment https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/04/clinton-emails-continue-to-be-non-scandal-disappointing-republicans/
Now lets be honest. When this story broke, Republicans were desperately hoping that we would learn that some criminal wrongdoing or catastrophic security breach had taken place, so they could then use that against Clinton in her run for the White House. But that turns out not to be the case. So the next best thing from their perspective is that theres some vaguely-defined scandal that the public doesnt really understand, but that voters will hold against her if you just repeat the words Clinton email scandal often enough.
They may have gotten that. Ive certainly seen plenty of voters quoted in press accounts saying some version of, I dont trust Clinton, cause you know, that email thing. Im sure 99 percent of them couldnt tell you what they think Clinton actually did thats so awful, but they know that there was something about emails, and it was, like, a scandal, right?
In recent weeks, Ive had a couple of liberal friends and relatives ask me, with something approaching panic, I just heard that Clinton is about to be indicted. Is that true?!? The answer is no, but they heard that because its something conservatives say constantly. Tune to to talk radio or surf through conservative web sites, and before long youll hear someone say that the Clinton indictment is coming any day now. Donald Trump, with his characteristically tenuous relationship to reality, frequently says that shes about to be indicted or that she wont be permitted to run for president because shell be on trial. It hasnt happened and it wont happen, but that isnt going to stop them from saying it.
Finally, theres a phrase you should watch out for when you see this issue discussed: Drip, drip, drip. Sometimes itll be a Republican partisan using it, but more often it will be some pundit explaining why the issue is important. What drip, drip drip means is that despite the fact that there was no crime and no security breach, the media will keep discussing the story as the investigations continue, and that will cause political difficulty for Clinton. Drip, drip, drip is this controversys version of, its out there, meaning, there isnt anything scandalous about the substance of this matter, but heres how well justify talking about it as though it actually were something scandalous.
I dont say that to justify Clintons original decision to set up the private server. She shouldnt have done that, not only because it was against department policy, but also because she should have been extra careful, knowing her history, to make sure she minded her Ps and Qs on everything like this. She should have known that once she started running for president there were going to be FOIA requests and lawsuits and investigations of everything she did as Secretary of State. So yes, that was an error in judgment. But it wasnt a crime and it appears that no bad consequences for the country came of it so we shouldnt treat it like it was.
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More on Hillary Clinton's felonies. She held guilty knowledge to sustain 18 USC Sec. 793(e) charges [View all]
leveymg
May 2016
OP
Thanks, but I did read it. I was posting extra information about the reliability of the source in
JonLeibowitz
May 2016
#207
In my opinion it did have relevance and I correctly called credibility into question. Please Proceed
JonLeibowitz
May 2016
#210
Some are paid to do it. Right wing conspiracy, which exists, spends hundreds of millions on this
Jackie Wilson Said
May 2016
#101
naaah, more likely a cut and paste from Reddit. to long to be a tweet, LOL.
bettyellen
May 2016
#112
Convince of what, right wing propaganda? You do understand what this is, I hope.
Jackie Wilson Said
May 2016
#103
You are absolutely right, and justifying the use of it only strengthens your initial
still_one
May 2016
#252
That is what I feared. So why are you here posting non stop predictions like this and attacks
Jackie Wilson Said
May 2016
#120
That is a FUCKING lie - I wish there was a punishment here for lying
Jackie Wilson Said
May 2016
#197
Has she been charged? Has she been convicted? Stop with the felonies claim, use alleged felonies.
TheBlackAdder
May 2016
#10
If you look at posts, Bernie people aren't really the angry ones. You're making stuff up.
pdsimdars
May 2016
#187
DOJ told the FOIA court last week that a referral is being prepared about her use of her server.
JudyM
May 2016
#62
Republicans know Hillary Clinton is not going to be indicted. They just can’t say so.
Gothmog
May 2016
#93
So by not reporting her to the DOJ, Sanders is an accessory after the fact?
brooklynite
May 2016
#14
Indictment is not the goal post. A finding she violated her security oath makes her unviable
leveymg
May 2016
#38
We'll see what the FBI says. Comey will tell us whether she violated her security oath
leveymg
May 2016
#147
Unfortunately, there's a 10-year statute of limitations on these crimes. They couldn't be prosecuted
leveymg
May 2016
#244
This really stands out: " revocation of her security clearance and the agreement that she will not
leveymg
May 2016
#148
The White House, DOJ, FBI and Intel Community IGs are all stakeholders and have to sign off on
leveymg
May 2016
#175
I am not in favor of this type of explosive situation being played out in front of the whole world
Samantha
May 2016
#250
I reported in at least one post FOX News reported it; observer.com backed up the story
Samantha
May 2016
#258
If she digs her heels in, she might be the Democratic nominee when the FBI report is issued
leveymg
May 2016
#238
MY computer is scrolling a lot. Could you read my reply to you right below this one?
truedelphi
May 2016
#259
From Tyler Drumheller, a retired CIA officer who was working with defense contractors in Libya
leveymg
May 2016
#53
"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike
Gothmog
May 2016
#73
The other poster is also inaccurate. A number were NSA documents that covered political military
leveymg
May 2016
#239
Juror #5 - There's plenty of "important information" just like this on rightwing blogs.
Sparkly
May 2016
#20
Why go to the Free Republic when Sanders supporters will bring Freeper material to DU?
Gothmog
May 2016
#75
Some seem to be unaware of Comey's role in stopping Ashcroft's reauthorization of "The Program"
leveymg
May 2016
#245
As Secretary of State Hillary should have known, in that position she or anyone else is held to
Uncle Joe
May 2016
#98
Hillary knew some of those e-mails were marked classified when she sent them
Uncle Joe
May 2016
#123
If you are going to rely on RWNJ sources do not be surprised when they are wrong
Gothmog
May 2016
#141
If you don't approve of right wing news sources don't post corporate media conglomerate propaganda
Uncle Joe
May 2016
#146
We'll see what the FBI says. They will have the final word whether she violated her security oath
leveymg
May 2016
#22
What part do you think has no merit. They are as clear as day. It's hard to see where you'd
pdsimdars
May 2016
#191
Increasingly desperate insistence that Clinton is guilty of felonies---everyone mock!
Orrex
May 2016
#56
If you think that the FBI, the Obama judicial system, the Department of state, ABC, CBS, NBC
pdsimdars
May 2016
#193
Man did you ever get it backwards. . . .he is judging from what he reads right here.
pdsimdars
May 2016
#198
Nope, former USAF. This is a matter of public record that I have talked about here and on TV. nt
stevenleser
May 2016
#280
Truth is always a defense in libel claims. The post says she violated her security oath in specific
leveymg
May 2016
#106
Anyone objective can see that there is plenty of ambiguity in the laws & regulations.
randome
May 2016
#90
You have commented quite a lot by using other's analysis. Could you please break out one of the...
xocet
May 2016
#96
Two things: 1) HRC's security agreement states "classified information is marked or unmarked"
leveymg
May 2016
#134
Dan doesn't even begin to accurately address the actual standards for intent in various sections of
leveymg
May 2016
#145
Felonies? not even a fucking charge levelled and you already decided on Felonies? how Democratic
Sheepshank
May 2016
#74
Since the e-mails were never classified or marked classified when sent, that will be hard to prove
Gothmog
May 2016
#110
Gross negligence is not nearly as difficult to prove in this case as you pretend
leveymg
May 2016
#170
Seriously, nobody, that we need to trounce all over Trump, cares or will care. nt
BootinUp
May 2016
#111
i expect her to have a more substantial answer than that but that's why she's the candidate n/t
0rganism
May 2016
#155
Confronted by NSA with obstacles to her insecure communication, she created a bigger vulnerability
leveymg
May 2016
#247
The Groundwork: The stealthy, Eric Schmidt-backed startup that's working to put Hillary Clinton in
bobthedrummer
May 2016
#270