2016 Postmortem

Samantha

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182. This is a deal that I imagined might be fair

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

May 2016

I do not think she belongs in prison, and I really do not want to see her humiliated (I am not a fan but a deal such as this would be better than some of the alternatives and it would make it possible to settle it on a quiet note. In other words, does the whole world really have to know?)

But Comey and some of the FBI agents who feel they have an unquestionable case against her are rumored to be probably quitting if the FBI recommends an indictment and the DOJ does not pursue it. They will assume the decline to pursue will come from political pressure. President Obama has publicly said he could guarantee no politics will be involved. I believe him. But I think the most important thing to Comey would be to have the security clearance revoked and he and the agents might be satisfied with a substantial fine in lieu of jail time. She could drop out of the current race for undisclosed health reasons....

I don't want to see any more damage caused by these events. The damage already in place has been more than enough. Let the healing begin.

Sam

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More on Hillary Clinton's felonies. She held guilty knowledge to sustain 18 USC Sec. 793(e) charges [View all] leveymg May 2016 OP

Felonies, huh? lol YouDig May 2016 #1

Ever hear of David Petraeus? Octafish May 2016 #261

Yawn trumad May 2016 #2

The layperson is completely wrong on the law here Gothmog May 2016 #65

But (s)he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! COLGATE4 May 2016 #102

Carrying the GOP's water? Proud of yourself. Buzz Clik May 2016 #3

Huh? It's HRC herself who gives the GOP ammo; her actions amborin May 2016 #274

You know that doesn't really make us disappear, right? dchill May 2016 #276

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #4

It's gold, Jerry! Gold!!...nt SidDithers May 2016 #5

Is that a Seinfeld reference? BootinUp May 2016 #6

Yup! kenny NWCorona May 2016 #30

+ 1000 JoePhilly May 2016 #37

looks like you spend a lot of time on this stuff. heh. nt BootinUp May 2016 #7

The layperson wasted a great deal of time Gothmog May 2016 #67

Feinstein would not be my top choice for an expert on the legal system JonLeibowitz May 2016 #202

Feinstein is on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (Vice Chairman) Gothmog May 2016 #203

Thanks, but I did read it. I was posting extra information about the reliability of the source in JonLeibowitz May 2016 #207

Senator Feinstein was not making a comment on the law but the intelligence Gothmog May 2016 #209

In my opinion it did have relevance and I correctly called credibility into question. Please Proceed JonLeibowitz May 2016 #210

She is also a Clinton superdelegate. dchill May 2016 #277

So what? Gothmog May 2016 #278

Actually, Feinstein is 100% wrong here. jeff47 May 2016 #221

Some are paid to do it. Right wing conspiracy, which exists, spends hundreds of millions on this Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #101

naaah, more likely a cut and paste from Reddit. to long to be a tweet, LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #112

That's what smart people do. Octafish May 2016 #249

You are not going to convince..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #8

This scscholar May 2016 #69

Convince of what, right wing propaganda? You do understand what this is, I hope. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #103

Law CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #125

democratIC Actor May 2016 #128

Democrat or Democratic may refer to: CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #131

People who use rat vs ic have an agenda, if doing it consciously Actor May 2016 #169

Etymology.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #171

You are absolutely right, and justifying the use of it only strengthens your initial still_one May 2016 #252

Yep...I think there are way more non liberals here than one might think. Actor May 2016 #254

the rule of law hangs in the balance....so does our democracy amborin May 2016 #9

yes, that's true grasswire May 2016 #12

Do you have a paypal account? Wanna make a bet on this? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #104

you are getting kind of creepy. grasswire May 2016 #119

That is what I feared. So why are you here posting non stop predictions like this and attacks Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #120

LOL--What is your agenda? panader0 May 2016 #172

That is a FUCKING lie - I wish there was a punishment here for lying Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #197

You sure you want that TM99 May 2016 #228

$10,000!!! frylock May 2016 #194

Seriously? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #196

We had this discussion the other day. frylock May 2016 #206

You still supporting the non Democrat? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #208

You still beating your spouse? frylock May 2016 #211

Will the rule of law be adhered to? The excitement is killing me... yourpaljoey May 2016 #17

I hope you are right, but... pangaia May 2016 #60

Hillary would have been fine had she not set her own trap yourpaljoey May 2016 #80

I know, I see the evidence they have against her and it is a slam dunk pdsimdars May 2016 #186

You should not trust the analysis of a layperson as to the law Gothmog May 2016 #71

That article references Sec 798 not 793. Different law. leveymg May 2016 #224

Has she been charged? Has she been convicted? Stop with the felonies claim, use alleged felonies. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #10

Think of it as the 5 stages of Bernie grief underthematrix May 2016 #15

If you look at posts, Bernie people aren't really the angry ones. You're making stuff up. pdsimdars May 2016 #187

Yeah. They're angry based on the all anti-Hillary posts at DU underthematrix May 2016 #212

I happen to agree with you on that. NWCorona May 2016 #31

DOJ told the FOIA court last week that a referral is being prepared about her use of her server. JudyM May 2016 #62

Republicans know Hillary Clinton is not going to be indicted. They just can’t say so. Gothmog May 2016 #93

So you would be willing to bet, even money, on an indictment? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #105

FYI CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #127

thank you, again. grasswire May 2016 #11

Really? The so called secret e-mails are about NYT stories on drones Gothmog May 2016 #72

Another BERNIE FEELS post underthematrix May 2016 #13

So by not reporting her to the DOJ, Sanders is an accessory after the fact? brooklynite May 2016 #14

He didn't receive classified information in email from her. leveymg May 2016 #21

Why do I think you'll be disappointed if she's not indicted? brooklynite May 2016 #27

Indictment is not the goal post. A finding she violated her security oath makes her unviable leveymg May 2016 #38

And who decides that? Demsrule86 May 2016 #117

We'll see what the FBI says. Comey will tell us whether she violated her security oath leveymg May 2016 #147

That is not the FBI's job at all Demsrule86 May 2016 #154

Email.accounts not email private servers . SwampG8r May 2016 #165

Unfortunately, there's a 10-year statute of limitations on these crimes. They couldn't be prosecuted leveymg May 2016 #244

This meme of "carrying water for Trump" is ridiculous. panader0 May 2016 #177

some of us are on the side of truth no matter where it takes us. grasswire May 2016 #42

And I join you in saying that Samantha May 2016 #133

Yes. grasswire May 2016 #138

This really stands out: " revocation of her security clearance and the agreement that she will not leveymg May 2016 #148

Possible mmonk May 2016 #168

The White House, DOJ, FBI and Intel Community IGs are all stakeholders and have to sign off on leveymg May 2016 #175

This is a deal that I imagined might be fair Samantha May 2016 #182

Why shouldn't she go to prison or be humiliated? Kentonio May 2016 #242

I am not in favor of this type of explosive situation being played out in front of the whole world Samantha May 2016 #250

"The part of the true identities of covert agents being exposed" antigop May 2016 #251

I reported in at least one post FOX News reported it; observer.com backed up the story Samantha May 2016 #258

yes, I saw the observer.com link. Thanks. nt antigop May 2016 #260

Why would it have to be on terms that Clinton would accept? truedelphi May 2016 #237

If she digs her heels in, she might be the Democratic nominee when the FBI report is issued leveymg May 2016 #238

Democratic Leadership needs to remember how much the truedelphi May 2016 #256

MY computer is scrolling a lot. Could you read my reply to you right below this one? truedelphi May 2016 #259

it depends upon what the meaning of "seek public office again" is. nt antigop May 2016 #223

that's another associated tragedy grasswire May 2016 #39

How did Blumenthal get classified information? n/t radical noodle May 2016 #46

From Tyler Drumheller, a retired CIA officer who was working with defense contractors in Libya leveymg May 2016 #53

"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike Gothmog May 2016 #73

Doesn't matter. jeff47 May 2016 #222

The other poster is also inaccurate. A number were NSA documents that covered political military leveymg May 2016 #239

Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT Jokerman May 2016 #16

Juror #5 - There's plenty of "important information" just like this on rightwing blogs. Sparkly May 2016 #20

So any opposition to Clinton must be "right-wing"? Jokerman May 2016 #23

"Any opposition?" Sparkly May 2016 #25

Sparkly, you know how much I think of you and your hubs. grasswire May 2016 #32

Even a Fox News anchor is not stupid enough to buy this CT Gothmog May 2016 #89

Crying about that "vast, right-wing conspiracy" is just another deflection. Jokerman May 2016 #34

"arrogant dismissal of the left" Sparkly May 2016 #68

More deflection. Jokerman May 2016 #108

Cory Booker is from the LEFT?!?!?!?!?! JonLeibowitz May 2016 #205

Cornell law, CBS news, DU and a cloud dana_b May 2016 #143

Why go to the Free Republic when Sanders supporters will bring Freeper material to DU? Gothmog May 2016 #75

geez grasswire May 2016 #28

The OP is not a lawyer Gothmog May 2016 #77

We have lots of them now on DU. COLGATE4 May 2016 #109

I know better. nt grasswire May 2016 #163

Well, it probably looks like word salad Fairgo May 2016 #161

A jury pool that needs privileges revoked if I ever saw one. joshcryer May 2016 #158

Nah, this one was a correct decision. pdsimdars May 2016 #189

No, this is a right wing meme. joshcryer May 2016 #215

Those famously right wing folks at the FBI... Kentonio May 2016 #243

Some seem to be unaware of Comey's role in stopping Ashcroft's reauthorization of "The Program" leveymg May 2016 #245

Hell Yea!!! Jokerman May 2016 #255

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #18

Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server Gothmog May 2016 #92

As Secretary of State Hillary should have known, in that position she or anyone else is held to Uncle Joe May 2016 #98

Oh goodie, another RWNJ source being quoted on DU Gothmog May 2016 #113

Hillary knew some of those e-mails were marked classified when she sent them Uncle Joe May 2016 #123

If you are going to rely on RWNJ sources do not be surprised when they are wrong Gothmog May 2016 #141

If you don't approve of right wing news sources don't post corporate media conglomerate propaganda Uncle Joe May 2016 #146

What's the difference between posts like this on DU and on Free Republic? Sparkly May 2016 #19

We'll see what the FBI says. They will have the final word whether she violated her security oath leveymg May 2016 #22

Sure. Sparkly May 2016 #24

I'm not going to try and disuade you from posting this, your effort pales BootinUp May 2016 #26

Should have applied that caveat before starting this vanity thread. nt procon May 2016 #70

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog May 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author SwampG8r May 2016 #166

I am sorry, Sparkly grasswire May 2016 #44

Not sure what you mean, grasswire. Sparkly May 2016 #47

I mean the pain that will come when we all are forced to face.. grasswire May 2016 #48

Okay, but the Swift Boaters happened too. Sparkly May 2016 #59

It is true that swiftboating happens. grasswire May 2016 #124

Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath Gothmog May 2016 #83

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #49

No, Ida -- I am not accusing members of the forum of being right wingers. Sparkly May 2016 #54

Dont worry Sparkly revmclaren May 2016 #150

the Judicial Watch civil suit has nothing to do with the.. grasswire May 2016 #164

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #130

Or Trumps "crooked Hillary" stump speech. joshcryer May 2016 #159

I am so disappointed mindwalker_i May 2016 #29

Bernie has played nice ... Trump won't ... Yurovsky May 2016 #41

Clinton emails continue to be non-scandal, disappointing Republicans Gothmog May 2016 #94

Hillary supporters are highly motivated to ignore it mindwalker_i May 2016 #132

She will not be indicted Gothmog May 2016 #137

Again, you are highly motivated towards a specific opinion mindwalker_i May 2016 #160

If I was really worried, I would be out looking for another candidate Gothmog May 2016 #174

Yeah, that would go over well mindwalker_i May 2016 #181

Many super delegates and others are not feeling the bern Gothmog May 2016 #200

And Sanders went easy on Hillary mindwalker_i May 2016 #213

Don't forget that she used the HAARP system to murder Vince Foster. Orrex May 2016 #33

. ucrdem May 2016 #35

I'm happy you find this so amusing. Vinca May 2016 #43

If I thought that the claims had any merit, I'd be more concerned Orrex May 2016 #50

What part do you think has no merit. They are as clear as day. It's hard to see where you'd pdsimdars May 2016 #191

Why don't you ask the OP to document these "felonies?" Orrex May 2016 #217

Of course it has merit. Scares you. 840high May 2016 #226

Well, no. Not at all, in fact. Orrex May 2016 #234

Vince Foster straw man -- everyone DRINK! IdaBriggs May 2016 #51

Increasingly desperate insistence that Clinton is guilty of felonies---everyone mock! Orrex May 2016 #56

Cassandra complex -- watch Troy fall. IdaBriggs May 2016 #58

Your gambling problem is of no interest to me. Orrex May 2016 #76

If you think that the FBI, the Obama judicial system, the Department of state, ABC, CBS, NBC pdsimdars May 2016 #193

Take your head out of your... Well, that would get my post hidden. Orrex May 2016 #216

And who can forget WHITEWATER!!! And TRAVELGATE!!! COLGATE4 May 2016 #114

Do people simply TM99 May 2016 #230

OK. Let's strike Whitewater from the list. Care to comment on all COLGATE4 May 2016 #231

See the problem with using TM99 May 2016 #233

So, Travelgate was an 'ethics issue' for Hillary, although neither she COLGATE4 May 2016 #235

Did you actually read the facts. TM99 May 2016 #236

They declined to prosecute. That generally occurs only when COLGATE4 May 2016 #248

And again I quote -- TM99 May 2016 #257

Insufficient evidence to proceed = no prosecution. COLGATE4 May 2016 #262

You sound like a Bush supporter. TM99 May 2016 #263

No need for ad hominem attacks. I believe I've been COLGATE4 May 2016 #264

Of course she has the presumption of innocence TM99 May 2016 #265

I generally find that, where's there's smoke, there's smoke. COLGATE4 May 2016 #266

Let me guess? TM99 May 2016 #267

I know Hillary beating Bernie hurts but, as a psychologist you know COLGATE4 May 2016 #268

I'm strongly convinced that the vast majority of Hillary's supporters VulgarPoet May 2016 #36

Is security clearance common among Sanders' supporters? Orrex May 2016 #57

Every single person I serve with who supports Sanders has a clearance. VulgarPoet May 2016 #64

So, from your tiny anecdotal sample, you generalize about Clinton's supporters. Orrex May 2016 #78

Man did you ever get it backwards. . . .he is judging from what he reads right here. pdsimdars May 2016 #198

Yes, of course. Orrex May 2016 #218

It's patently obvious from reading replies in these threads.. frylock May 2016 #204

Sure thing, champ. Orrex May 2016 #219

And this disproved my statement in what way? frylock May 2016 #220

Who won Maryland? Agschmid May 2016 #121

Well, if he locks down the voters who have security clearance... Orrex May 2016 #140

Aim high I guess. Agschmid May 2016 #142

Love your sig images, by the way. Orrex May 2016 #144

Thanks, hand picked by me. Agschmid May 2016 #149

I've had a security clearance. And this is all nonsense. nt stevenleser May 2016 #66

As usual, Steve, no specifics in your writing. nt leveymg May 2016 #84

Your comments and insinuations are meaningless. nt stevenleser May 2016 #85

That's neither persuasive nor well thought out, Steve. leveymg May 2016 #88

I'll just bet you were a secret agent farleftlib May 2016 #279

Nope, former USAF. This is a matter of public record that I have talked about here and on TV. nt stevenleser May 2016 #280

Millionaire privilege MsFlorida May 2016 #40

Everyone has forgotten MsFlorida May 2016 #45

well, maybe grasswire May 2016 #52

Chicago politics at its finest....love President Obama! nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #55

You just keep waiting for the Indictment Fairy COLGATE4 May 2016 #115

The OP is intentionally defamatory The Second Stone May 2016 #61

Truth is always a defense in libel claims. The post says she violated her security oath in specific leveymg May 2016 #106

You are a libeler and a liar The Second Stone May 2016 #167

I welcome any factual response. That isn't. leveymg May 2016 #178

No you don't, you'd have evidence, a prosecutor and an indictment The Second Stone May 2016 #195

Educate yourself--This is real, not made up. And it won't go away. panader0 May 2016 #184

It pretty clearly won't go away, but it is made up The Second Stone May 2016 #192

The investigation is "made up"? panader0 May 2016 #199

The investigation is real. The Fox News spin is fake. emulatorloo May 2016 #253

Laypersons are cute and adorable when they make legal claims Gothmog May 2016 #63

Anyone objective can see that there is plenty of ambiguity in the laws & regulations. randome May 2016 #90

You have commented quite a lot by using other's analysis. Could you please break out one of the... xocet May 2016 #96

The applicable law requires either gross negligence or a knowing violation Gothmog May 2016 #107

+1. But they still won't be dissuaded from COLGATE4 May 2016 #116

Two things: 1) HRC's security agreement states "classified information is marked or unmarked" leveymg May 2016 #134

Your posts continue to amuse me Gothmog May 2016 #135

Thank you for kicking the thread again. leveymg May 2016 #151

I just saw your reply: thank you for the extensive comment. n/t xocet May 2016 #157

Dan doesn't even begin to accurately address the actual standards for intent in various sections of leveymg May 2016 #145

Felonies? not even a fucking charge levelled and you already decided on Felonies? how Democratic Sheepshank May 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author MattP May 2016 #81

wow...important stuff... MFM008 May 2016 #82

What is all this? You are not changing any hearts and minds. asuhornets May 2016 #86

It's a shame Hillary brought 840high May 2016 #227

A key word in the Clinton email investigation: 'knowingly' Gothmog May 2016 #87

Don't forget "gross negligence" jmg257 May 2016 #99

Since the e-mails were never classified or marked classified when sent, that will be hard to prove Gothmog May 2016 #110

'Gross negligence' is a term of art. It is not your ordinary, COLGATE4 May 2016 #122

Gross negligence is not nearly as difficult to prove in this case as you pretend leveymg May 2016 #170

ls that your considered 'legal' opinion??? COLGATE4 May 2016 #180

How's she ever gonna get enough time out of prison rock May 2016 #91

silly Republicans. They deserve Tabloid-Trump. Sunlei May 2016 #95

whether or not these allegations hold water, this is now a Big Fucking Deal 0rganism May 2016 #97

Seriously, nobody, that we need to trounce all over Trump, cares or will care. nt BootinUp May 2016 #111

i expect her to have a more substantial answer than that but that's why she's the candidate n/t 0rganism May 2016 #155

K&R#41 + Hillary Clinton's Damning Emails (Ray McGovern April 30, 2016) bobthedrummer May 2016 #100

Well, if ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern says so, I guess COLGATE4 May 2016 #126

Thanks for posting that. Tell Ray that article is spot-on. leveymg May 2016 #153

Worth reading. Thank you. From there: 840high May 2016 #232

Confronted by NSA with obstacles to her insecure communication, she created a bigger vulnerability leveymg May 2016 #247

Wonder why Republicans aren't using your post ...? kevinmc May 2016 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #129

Sanders should really start hammering this on the campaign trail KingFlorez May 2016 #136

Great idea! Nonhlanhla May 2016 #139

Are the FBI and the DoJ doing Trump's work too? panader0 May 2016 #188

Have they found her guilty of something yet? Nonhlanhla May 2016 #201

Maybe there's a time and a place? nc4bo May 2016 #179

did we really land on the moon? stonecutter357 May 2016 #152

"Email" is a right-wing conspiracy!!!!!!!! John Poet May 2016 #156

HOLY CRAP MFM008 May 2016 #162

She's being investigated by the FBI, not Republicans Kentonio May 2016 #246

Her motive? Thirties Child May 2016 #173

The smell of flopsweat and desperation, morning noon and night. Hekate May 2016 #176

If an indictment went forward, would it be before or after the GE? EndElectoral May 2016 #183

She has successfully innoculated most dems against the word "email" HereSince1628 May 2016 #190

Come on commie, you know that law is part of a right wing conspiracy. pdsimdars May 2016 #185

. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #214

Makes not the slightest bit of difference. She is a member of The Club eridani May 2016 #225

It bothers me SCantiGOP May 2016 #229

It bothers me, too, leveymg May 2016 #241

K&R for the back and forth Babel_17 May 2016 #240

Please proceed governor. ucrdem May 2016 #269

The Groundwork: The stealthy, Eric Schmidt-backed startup that's working to put Hillary Clinton in bobthedrummer May 2016 #270

Kick for Justice. Octafish May 2016 #271

Thanks. You're true-blue. leveymg May 2016 #272

I've been thinking a lot about Haiti, lately. Octafish May 2016 #273

I wouldn't choose any of those places for political asylum. leveymg May 2016 #275

Oh please. Enough of this crazy fucking shit. RBInMaine May 2016 #281

This makes me smile Gothmog Jul 2016 #282