2016 Postmortem

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235. So, Travelgate was an 'ethics issue' for Hillary, although neither she

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Thu May 5, 2016, 12:36 AM

May 2016

nor Bill were found to have committed any wrongdoing. A classic smear.

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More on Hillary Clinton's felonies. She held guilty knowledge to sustain 18 USC Sec. 793(e) charges [View all] leveymg May 2016 OP

Felonies, huh? lol YouDig May 2016 #1

Ever hear of David Petraeus? Octafish May 2016 #261

Yawn trumad May 2016 #2

The layperson is completely wrong on the law here Gothmog May 2016 #65

But (s)he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! COLGATE4 May 2016 #102

Carrying the GOP's water? Proud of yourself. Buzz Clik May 2016 #3

Huh? It's HRC herself who gives the GOP ammo; her actions amborin May 2016 #274

You know that doesn't really make us disappear, right? dchill May 2016 #276

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It's gold, Jerry! Gold!!...nt SidDithers May 2016 #5

Is that a Seinfeld reference? BootinUp May 2016 #6

Yup! kenny NWCorona May 2016 #30

+ 1000 JoePhilly May 2016 #37

looks like you spend a lot of time on this stuff. heh. nt BootinUp May 2016 #7

The layperson wasted a great deal of time Gothmog May 2016 #67

Feinstein would not be my top choice for an expert on the legal system JonLeibowitz May 2016 #202

Feinstein is on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (Vice Chairman) Gothmog May 2016 #203

Thanks, but I did read it. I was posting extra information about the reliability of the source in JonLeibowitz May 2016 #207

Senator Feinstein was not making a comment on the law but the intelligence Gothmog May 2016 #209

In my opinion it did have relevance and I correctly called credibility into question. Please Proceed JonLeibowitz May 2016 #210

She is also a Clinton superdelegate. dchill May 2016 #277

So what? Gothmog May 2016 #278

Actually, Feinstein is 100% wrong here. jeff47 May 2016 #221

Some are paid to do it. Right wing conspiracy, which exists, spends hundreds of millions on this Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #101

naaah, more likely a cut and paste from Reddit. to long to be a tweet, LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #112

That's what smart people do. Octafish May 2016 #249

You are not going to convince..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #8

This scscholar May 2016 #69

Convince of what, right wing propaganda? You do understand what this is, I hope. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #103

Law CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #125

democratIC Actor May 2016 #128

Democrat or Democratic may refer to: CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #131

People who use rat vs ic have an agenda, if doing it consciously Actor May 2016 #169

Etymology.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #171

You are absolutely right, and justifying the use of it only strengthens your initial still_one May 2016 #252

Yep...I think there are way more non liberals here than one might think. Actor May 2016 #254

the rule of law hangs in the balance....so does our democracy amborin May 2016 #9

yes, that's true grasswire May 2016 #12

Do you have a paypal account? Wanna make a bet on this? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #104

you are getting kind of creepy. grasswire May 2016 #119

That is what I feared. So why are you here posting non stop predictions like this and attacks Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #120

LOL--What is your agenda? panader0 May 2016 #172

That is a FUCKING lie - I wish there was a punishment here for lying Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #197

You sure you want that TM99 May 2016 #228

$10,000!!! frylock May 2016 #194

Seriously? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #196

We had this discussion the other day. frylock May 2016 #206

You still supporting the non Democrat? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #208

You still beating your spouse? frylock May 2016 #211

Will the rule of law be adhered to? The excitement is killing me... yourpaljoey May 2016 #17

I hope you are right, but... pangaia May 2016 #60

Hillary would have been fine had she not set her own trap yourpaljoey May 2016 #80

I know, I see the evidence they have against her and it is a slam dunk pdsimdars May 2016 #186

You should not trust the analysis of a layperson as to the law Gothmog May 2016 #71

That article references Sec 798 not 793. Different law. leveymg May 2016 #224

Has she been charged? Has she been convicted? Stop with the felonies claim, use alleged felonies. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #10

Think of it as the 5 stages of Bernie grief underthematrix May 2016 #15

If you look at posts, Bernie people aren't really the angry ones. You're making stuff up. pdsimdars May 2016 #187

Yeah. They're angry based on the all anti-Hillary posts at DU underthematrix May 2016 #212

I happen to agree with you on that. NWCorona May 2016 #31

DOJ told the FOIA court last week that a referral is being prepared about her use of her server. JudyM May 2016 #62

Republicans know Hillary Clinton is not going to be indicted. They just can’t say so. Gothmog May 2016 #93

So you would be willing to bet, even money, on an indictment? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #105

FYI CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #127

thank you, again. grasswire May 2016 #11

Really? The so called secret e-mails are about NYT stories on drones Gothmog May 2016 #72

Another BERNIE FEELS post underthematrix May 2016 #13

So by not reporting her to the DOJ, Sanders is an accessory after the fact? brooklynite May 2016 #14

He didn't receive classified information in email from her. leveymg May 2016 #21

Why do I think you'll be disappointed if she's not indicted? brooklynite May 2016 #27

Indictment is not the goal post. A finding she violated her security oath makes her unviable leveymg May 2016 #38

And who decides that? Demsrule86 May 2016 #117

We'll see what the FBI says. Comey will tell us whether she violated her security oath leveymg May 2016 #147

That is not the FBI's job at all Demsrule86 May 2016 #154

Email.accounts not email private servers . SwampG8r May 2016 #165

Unfortunately, there's a 10-year statute of limitations on these crimes. They couldn't be prosecuted leveymg May 2016 #244

This meme of "carrying water for Trump" is ridiculous. panader0 May 2016 #177

some of us are on the side of truth no matter where it takes us. grasswire May 2016 #42

And I join you in saying that Samantha May 2016 #133

Yes. grasswire May 2016 #138

This really stands out: " revocation of her security clearance and the agreement that she will not leveymg May 2016 #148

Possible mmonk May 2016 #168

The White House, DOJ, FBI and Intel Community IGs are all stakeholders and have to sign off on leveymg May 2016 #175

This is a deal that I imagined might be fair Samantha May 2016 #182

Why shouldn't she go to prison or be humiliated? Kentonio May 2016 #242

I am not in favor of this type of explosive situation being played out in front of the whole world Samantha May 2016 #250

"The part of the true identities of covert agents being exposed" antigop May 2016 #251

I reported in at least one post FOX News reported it; observer.com backed up the story Samantha May 2016 #258

yes, I saw the observer.com link. Thanks. nt antigop May 2016 #260

Why would it have to be on terms that Clinton would accept? truedelphi May 2016 #237

If she digs her heels in, she might be the Democratic nominee when the FBI report is issued leveymg May 2016 #238

Democratic Leadership needs to remember how much the truedelphi May 2016 #256

MY computer is scrolling a lot. Could you read my reply to you right below this one? truedelphi May 2016 #259

it depends upon what the meaning of "seek public office again" is. nt antigop May 2016 #223

that's another associated tragedy grasswire May 2016 #39

How did Blumenthal get classified information? n/t radical noodle May 2016 #46

From Tyler Drumheller, a retired CIA officer who was working with defense contractors in Libya leveymg May 2016 #53

"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike Gothmog May 2016 #73

Doesn't matter. jeff47 May 2016 #222

The other poster is also inaccurate. A number were NSA documents that covered political military leveymg May 2016 #239

Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT Jokerman May 2016 #16

Juror #5 - There's plenty of "important information" just like this on rightwing blogs. Sparkly May 2016 #20

So any opposition to Clinton must be "right-wing"? Jokerman May 2016 #23

"Any opposition?" Sparkly May 2016 #25

Sparkly, you know how much I think of you and your hubs. grasswire May 2016 #32

Even a Fox News anchor is not stupid enough to buy this CT Gothmog May 2016 #89

Crying about that "vast, right-wing conspiracy" is just another deflection. Jokerman May 2016 #34

"arrogant dismissal of the left" Sparkly May 2016 #68

More deflection. Jokerman May 2016 #108

Cory Booker is from the LEFT?!?!?!?!?! JonLeibowitz May 2016 #205

Cornell law, CBS news, DU and a cloud dana_b May 2016 #143

Why go to the Free Republic when Sanders supporters will bring Freeper material to DU? Gothmog May 2016 #75

geez grasswire May 2016 #28

The OP is not a lawyer Gothmog May 2016 #77

We have lots of them now on DU. COLGATE4 May 2016 #109

I know better. nt grasswire May 2016 #163

Well, it probably looks like word salad Fairgo May 2016 #161

A jury pool that needs privileges revoked if I ever saw one. joshcryer May 2016 #158

Nah, this one was a correct decision. pdsimdars May 2016 #189

No, this is a right wing meme. joshcryer May 2016 #215

Those famously right wing folks at the FBI... Kentonio May 2016 #243

Some seem to be unaware of Comey's role in stopping Ashcroft's reauthorization of "The Program" leveymg May 2016 #245

Hell Yea!!! Jokerman May 2016 #255

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #18

Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server Gothmog May 2016 #92

As Secretary of State Hillary should have known, in that position she or anyone else is held to Uncle Joe May 2016 #98

Oh goodie, another RWNJ source being quoted on DU Gothmog May 2016 #113

Hillary knew some of those e-mails were marked classified when she sent them Uncle Joe May 2016 #123

If you are going to rely on RWNJ sources do not be surprised when they are wrong Gothmog May 2016 #141

If you don't approve of right wing news sources don't post corporate media conglomerate propaganda Uncle Joe May 2016 #146

What's the difference between posts like this on DU and on Free Republic? Sparkly May 2016 #19

We'll see what the FBI says. They will have the final word whether she violated her security oath leveymg May 2016 #22

Sure. Sparkly May 2016 #24

I'm not going to try and disuade you from posting this, your effort pales BootinUp May 2016 #26

Should have applied that caveat before starting this vanity thread. nt procon May 2016 #70

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog May 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author SwampG8r May 2016 #166

I am sorry, Sparkly grasswire May 2016 #44

Not sure what you mean, grasswire. Sparkly May 2016 #47

I mean the pain that will come when we all are forced to face.. grasswire May 2016 #48

Okay, but the Swift Boaters happened too. Sparkly May 2016 #59

It is true that swiftboating happens. grasswire May 2016 #124

Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath Gothmog May 2016 #83

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No, Ida -- I am not accusing members of the forum of being right wingers. Sparkly May 2016 #54

Dont worry Sparkly revmclaren May 2016 #150

the Judicial Watch civil suit has nothing to do with the.. grasswire May 2016 #164

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #130

Or Trumps "crooked Hillary" stump speech. joshcryer May 2016 #159

I am so disappointed mindwalker_i May 2016 #29

Bernie has played nice ... Trump won't ... Yurovsky May 2016 #41

Clinton emails continue to be non-scandal, disappointing Republicans Gothmog May 2016 #94

Hillary supporters are highly motivated to ignore it mindwalker_i May 2016 #132

She will not be indicted Gothmog May 2016 #137

Again, you are highly motivated towards a specific opinion mindwalker_i May 2016 #160

If I was really worried, I would be out looking for another candidate Gothmog May 2016 #174

Yeah, that would go over well mindwalker_i May 2016 #181

Many super delegates and others are not feeling the bern Gothmog May 2016 #200

And Sanders went easy on Hillary mindwalker_i May 2016 #213

Don't forget that she used the HAARP system to murder Vince Foster. Orrex May 2016 #33

. ucrdem May 2016 #35

I'm happy you find this so amusing. Vinca May 2016 #43

If I thought that the claims had any merit, I'd be more concerned Orrex May 2016 #50

What part do you think has no merit. They are as clear as day. It's hard to see where you'd pdsimdars May 2016 #191

Why don't you ask the OP to document these "felonies?" Orrex May 2016 #217

Of course it has merit. Scares you. 840high May 2016 #226

Well, no. Not at all, in fact. Orrex May 2016 #234

Vince Foster straw man -- everyone DRINK! IdaBriggs May 2016 #51

Increasingly desperate insistence that Clinton is guilty of felonies---everyone mock! Orrex May 2016 #56

Cassandra complex -- watch Troy fall. IdaBriggs May 2016 #58

Your gambling problem is of no interest to me. Orrex May 2016 #76

If you think that the FBI, the Obama judicial system, the Department of state, ABC, CBS, NBC pdsimdars May 2016 #193

Take your head out of your... Well, that would get my post hidden. Orrex May 2016 #216

And who can forget WHITEWATER!!! And TRAVELGATE!!! COLGATE4 May 2016 #114

Do people simply TM99 May 2016 #230

OK. Let's strike Whitewater from the list. Care to comment on all COLGATE4 May 2016 #231

See the problem with using TM99 May 2016 #233

So, Travelgate was an 'ethics issue' for Hillary, although neither she COLGATE4 May 2016 #235

Did you actually read the facts. TM99 May 2016 #236

They declined to prosecute. That generally occurs only when COLGATE4 May 2016 #248

And again I quote -- TM99 May 2016 #257

Insufficient evidence to proceed = no prosecution. COLGATE4 May 2016 #262

You sound like a Bush supporter. TM99 May 2016 #263

No need for ad hominem attacks. I believe I've been COLGATE4 May 2016 #264

Of course she has the presumption of innocence TM99 May 2016 #265

I generally find that, where's there's smoke, there's smoke. COLGATE4 May 2016 #266

Let me guess? TM99 May 2016 #267

I know Hillary beating Bernie hurts but, as a psychologist you know COLGATE4 May 2016 #268

I'm strongly convinced that the vast majority of Hillary's supporters VulgarPoet May 2016 #36

Is security clearance common among Sanders' supporters? Orrex May 2016 #57

Every single person I serve with who supports Sanders has a clearance. VulgarPoet May 2016 #64

So, from your tiny anecdotal sample, you generalize about Clinton's supporters. Orrex May 2016 #78

Man did you ever get it backwards. . . .he is judging from what he reads right here. pdsimdars May 2016 #198

Yes, of course. Orrex May 2016 #218

It's patently obvious from reading replies in these threads.. frylock May 2016 #204

Sure thing, champ. Orrex May 2016 #219

And this disproved my statement in what way? frylock May 2016 #220

Who won Maryland? Agschmid May 2016 #121

Well, if he locks down the voters who have security clearance... Orrex May 2016 #140

Aim high I guess. Agschmid May 2016 #142

Love your sig images, by the way. Orrex May 2016 #144

Thanks, hand picked by me. Agschmid May 2016 #149

I've had a security clearance. And this is all nonsense. nt stevenleser May 2016 #66

As usual, Steve, no specifics in your writing. nt leveymg May 2016 #84

Your comments and insinuations are meaningless. nt stevenleser May 2016 #85

That's neither persuasive nor well thought out, Steve. leveymg May 2016 #88

I'll just bet you were a secret agent farleftlib May 2016 #279

Nope, former USAF. This is a matter of public record that I have talked about here and on TV. nt stevenleser May 2016 #280

Millionaire privilege MsFlorida May 2016 #40

Everyone has forgotten MsFlorida May 2016 #45

well, maybe grasswire May 2016 #52

Chicago politics at its finest....love President Obama! nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #55

You just keep waiting for the Indictment Fairy COLGATE4 May 2016 #115

The OP is intentionally defamatory The Second Stone May 2016 #61

Truth is always a defense in libel claims. The post says she violated her security oath in specific leveymg May 2016 #106

You are a libeler and a liar The Second Stone May 2016 #167

I welcome any factual response. That isn't. leveymg May 2016 #178

No you don't, you'd have evidence, a prosecutor and an indictment The Second Stone May 2016 #195

Educate yourself--This is real, not made up. And it won't go away. panader0 May 2016 #184

It pretty clearly won't go away, but it is made up The Second Stone May 2016 #192

The investigation is "made up"? panader0 May 2016 #199

The investigation is real. The Fox News spin is fake. emulatorloo May 2016 #253

Laypersons are cute and adorable when they make legal claims Gothmog May 2016 #63

Anyone objective can see that there is plenty of ambiguity in the laws & regulations. randome May 2016 #90

You have commented quite a lot by using other's analysis. Could you please break out one of the... xocet May 2016 #96

The applicable law requires either gross negligence or a knowing violation Gothmog May 2016 #107

+1. But they still won't be dissuaded from COLGATE4 May 2016 #116

Two things: 1) HRC's security agreement states "classified information is marked or unmarked" leveymg May 2016 #134

Your posts continue to amuse me Gothmog May 2016 #135

Thank you for kicking the thread again. leveymg May 2016 #151

I just saw your reply: thank you for the extensive comment. n/t xocet May 2016 #157

Dan doesn't even begin to accurately address the actual standards for intent in various sections of leveymg May 2016 #145

Felonies? not even a fucking charge levelled and you already decided on Felonies? how Democratic Sheepshank May 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author MattP May 2016 #81

wow...important stuff... MFM008 May 2016 #82

What is all this? You are not changing any hearts and minds. asuhornets May 2016 #86

It's a shame Hillary brought 840high May 2016 #227

A key word in the Clinton email investigation: 'knowingly' Gothmog May 2016 #87

Don't forget "gross negligence" jmg257 May 2016 #99

Since the e-mails were never classified or marked classified when sent, that will be hard to prove Gothmog May 2016 #110

'Gross negligence' is a term of art. It is not your ordinary, COLGATE4 May 2016 #122

Gross negligence is not nearly as difficult to prove in this case as you pretend leveymg May 2016 #170

ls that your considered 'legal' opinion??? COLGATE4 May 2016 #180

How's she ever gonna get enough time out of prison rock May 2016 #91

silly Republicans. They deserve Tabloid-Trump. Sunlei May 2016 #95

whether or not these allegations hold water, this is now a Big Fucking Deal 0rganism May 2016 #97

Seriously, nobody, that we need to trounce all over Trump, cares or will care. nt BootinUp May 2016 #111

i expect her to have a more substantial answer than that but that's why she's the candidate n/t 0rganism May 2016 #155

K&R#41 + Hillary Clinton's Damning Emails (Ray McGovern April 30, 2016) bobthedrummer May 2016 #100

Well, if ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern says so, I guess COLGATE4 May 2016 #126

Thanks for posting that. Tell Ray that article is spot-on. leveymg May 2016 #153

Worth reading. Thank you. From there: 840high May 2016 #232

Confronted by NSA with obstacles to her insecure communication, she created a bigger vulnerability leveymg May 2016 #247

Wonder why Republicans aren't using your post ...? kevinmc May 2016 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #129

Sanders should really start hammering this on the campaign trail KingFlorez May 2016 #136

Great idea! Nonhlanhla May 2016 #139

Are the FBI and the DoJ doing Trump's work too? panader0 May 2016 #188

Have they found her guilty of something yet? Nonhlanhla May 2016 #201

Maybe there's a time and a place? nc4bo May 2016 #179

did we really land on the moon? stonecutter357 May 2016 #152

"Email" is a right-wing conspiracy!!!!!!!! John Poet May 2016 #156

HOLY CRAP MFM008 May 2016 #162

She's being investigated by the FBI, not Republicans Kentonio May 2016 #246

Her motive? Thirties Child May 2016 #173

The smell of flopsweat and desperation, morning noon and night. Hekate May 2016 #176

If an indictment went forward, would it be before or after the GE? EndElectoral May 2016 #183

She has successfully innoculated most dems against the word "email" HereSince1628 May 2016 #190

Come on commie, you know that law is part of a right wing conspiracy. pdsimdars May 2016 #185

. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #214

Makes not the slightest bit of difference. She is a member of The Club eridani May 2016 #225

It bothers me SCantiGOP May 2016 #229

It bothers me, too, leveymg May 2016 #241

K&R for the back and forth Babel_17 May 2016 #240

Please proceed governor. ucrdem May 2016 #269

The Groundwork: The stealthy, Eric Schmidt-backed startup that's working to put Hillary Clinton in bobthedrummer May 2016 #270

Kick for Justice. Octafish May 2016 #271

Thanks. You're true-blue. leveymg May 2016 #272

I've been thinking a lot about Haiti, lately. Octafish May 2016 #273

I wouldn't choose any of those places for political asylum. leveymg May 2016 #275

Oh please. Enough of this crazy fucking shit. RBInMaine May 2016 #281

This makes me smile Gothmog Jul 2016 #282